Imfiva Yolwandle - ebidlala kwiToronto International Film Festival njengengxenye yohlelo lwabo Lokutholwa - kuwukuhlola okuhehayo kokungaziwa okwaziwayo komhlaba wethu wemvelo. Kokubili okuhle nokwesabekayo, cabanga The Thing olwandle; izinhlangano zamanye amazwe kanye ne-paranoia ehambayo igeleza Imfiva Yolwandle kumagagasi, bengqongqoza abalingiswa befilimu njengoba bezama ukugcina amakhanda abo ngaphezu kwamanzi.

Umbhali / umqondisi uNeasa Hardiman unqobile imiklomelo eminingana ngomsebenzi wakhe wokubhala kanye nowethelevishini. Ulethelwe imizwa yakhe yangempela Imfiva Yolwandle, Ukuqamba ifilimu esuka enhliziyweni futhi eqotho ngomthamo osindayo wokwesaba. Ngibe nethuba lokukhuluma noHardiman mayelana nogqozi, inkolelo-ze, ukwesaba kwase-Ireland, nabesifazane abasefilimini.

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UKelly McNeely: Kwakuyini uhlobo lwe Imfiva Yolwandle? Uvelaphi lo mbono? 

UNeasa Hardiman: Ngicabanga ukuthi enye yezinto ebengifuna ukuzenza, bekungukuthi ngifuna ukuxoxa indaba ebiqukethwe, evumela ukuthi kuhlolwe umlingiswa futhi ibinokulandisa okuhambisanayo okuzokugcina uncike phambili esihlalweni sakho. Ngakho lokho kwakubaluleke kakhulu kimi. 

Bengifuna ukuxoxa indaba ngososayensi, lapho usosayensi ayehola khona. Ngicabanga ukuthi nakho kwakubaluleke ngempela. Ngoba ngizizwa sengathi usosayensi uvame ukuba nohlobo oluthile lokuziphatha okuhle, futhi kaningi uma kungenjalo kumnandi, kuyinto engakhululekile. Ngakho-ke bengifuna ukubeka leso sibalo phambili naphakathi nendawo, bese ngihamba, ake nje sithole ukuthi yini lokho nokuthi leyo trope yamasiko exakile yavelaphi.

KM: Ngiyakuthanda lokho ngososayensi ophambili, ngoba esikhundleni sokuthi kube yimpi “ake siyibulale le nto,” ufuna kakhulu ukuyifunda futhi ayigcine iphila futhi siyivikela, okuyinto engicabanga ukuthi ingumbono omuhle impela.

NH: Oh brilliant! Yileso senzo sesithathu, akunjalo? Isenzo sesithathu esilindelwe kwifilimu efana nalena siba “ukujaha-ukulwa-nokujaha-ukulwa-nokulwa-nokufa” [ehleka]. Futhi kwakuyinto engangiyazi ngempela. Ngikhumbula ngibona uDavid Hare - umbhali wesikrini - futhi wathi empeleni ifilimu equkethe izindaba ezintathu. Unendaba esenzweni sokuqala esiphenduka kwesobunxele, bese uthola indaba ehluke ngokuphelele esenzweni sesibili, bese kuba khona ukujika kwesibili kwesokunxele bese uthola indaba yesithathu esenzweni sesithathu. Uthe iningi lamafilimu linezindaba ezimbili kuphela ngoba kunjalo ngempela kunzima [ehleka]. 

Ngicabange ukuthi, kulungile, ngizokubeka enhliziyweni lokho futhi ngeke sikwenze sixoshe-silwe-silwe, sizokwenza isenzo sesithathu ngokunye, futhi kuzobe ukuthatha umthwalo wemfanelo, kufanele kube yilolo hlobo lwetimu ebanzi yendaba. 

Ngakho-ke isenzo sesithathu kumele sibe ngokuthatha umthwalo walesi silwane esifike ngephutha kulesi sikhala; ayifuni ukuba lapho, abafuni ukuthi ibe khona, futhi kufanele bayikhiphe. Futhi-ke kukhona ukuthatha umthwalo ngalokho. Futhi-ke kusobala ukuthi ekugcineni kwendaba kuphathelene nokuthatha umthwalo wemfanelo ngokwenzeka kuSiobhan, futhi kufanele enze isimilo ekugcineni. 

KM: Ngiyasithanda isiphetho, futhi. Imvamisa akusiyena umlingisi wesifazane oba nalezi zikhathi ezimnandi, imvamisa kuba ngumlingiswa wesilisa, njengo “O, ngizokonga usuku”. Ngakho-ke ngiyamthanda ukuthi uyakwazi ukungena ngendlela enhle futhi ephilayo futhi enempilo. Ngicabanga ukuthi lokho kuyathandeka ngempela.

NH: Kuhle! [ehleka]

I-KM: Kukhona i-gore elimangalisa ngempela lapho futhi, okunye okwesabekayo komzimba. Ngabe usebenzise imiphumela ebonakalayo yalokho noma bekuyi-CGI ikakhulukazi? 

NH: Iningi lalo yi-CG, futhi sinabo nodlame abanobuhlakani bangempela ngakho-ke kunesibhamu kusinki lapho kunezilwane ezincane ezikhasa zizungeza kusinki, futhi lokho konke kuphila ngosuku olwenziwe ngotshani lwasolwandle olunezinsimbi ezincane zensimbi ukufakwa kuzona nomdlalisa onodoli ngaphansi kosinki ngozibuthe [ehleka]. Ngakho lokho kwakumnandi ngempela. Futhi abadlalayo benza nezidalwa zasolwandle, leyo mizila. Futhi sasinemiklamo emisha ye-CG futhi; U-Alex Hansson ukhiqize zonke izithombe ezinkulu, ezinhle, ezinama-mesmeric.

KM: Kunezindikimba ezinkulu ku- Imfiva Yolwandle nomndeni, imvelo, ukuzidela, izinkolelo-ze zasolwandle… zisho ukuthini izingqikithi kuwe, futhi yini obufuna ukuyikhipha kule filimu nalezo zingqikithi?

NH: Ngempela okwakungithakazelisa kwakuyilapho ngangidlala ngathi ngifuna ukuthi le ndaba ihambe iyephi, ngifuna iphile kanjani, ngabe lo mbono wendlela yesayensi futhi unengqondo ngempela. Futhi ngicabange ukuthi kulungile, uma ukuphusha lokho ngokweqile, yini ngokweqile lokho? Futhi ukweqisa kwangempela kwalokho ukungabikho kokuxhumana nabantu. 

Ukuthi kunesilinganiso lapho ukucabanga komlingo kungivumela ukuba ngishaye sengathi ngiyakuqonda okucabangayo, bese wenza sengathi uyakuqonda engikucabangayo, futhi senza ukuxhumana ngaleyo ndlela, futhi empeleni lokho kubalulekile. Kukhona imfudumalo yokuthi lokho kusivumela ukuba sizizwe kahle ngomunye nomunye. Ngakho-ke bengicwaninga ngalokho, futhi ngicwaninga ngezitayela zengqondo, futhi yini ubunzima nobuhle bezitayela ezahlukahlukene zokuqonda. 

Ngicabange ukuthi lokho kungukuphela kokunye, lapho uvuma khona ukuthi ingxenye yendlela yesayensi ikuvumela ukuthi uthobeke ngempela ngendawo yakho emhlabeni, futhi uvume ukuthi kuncane kakhulu ongakuthonya, kepha ungabona futhi uzame ukuqonda. Futhi-ke yikuphi okunye ukweqisa? 

Okunye ukweqisa yinkolelo-ze. Njengokuthi ngingqongqoze etafuleni futhi lokho kusho ukuthi inhlanhla engikucabangile ngeke yenzeke. Ngakho-ke kukhona le nkohliso yokulawula, le nkohliso yokuthi ulawula yonke into. Bengicabanga ukuthi kunokweqisa okubili esingakuhlola ngendaba, futhi lo mqondo wokusizakala ngokucace bha mayelana nokufakwayo okuncane kwendawo yakho endaweni yonke kanye nendlela yesayensi nokuzithoba nokucaca, nakho kungakushiya uqhelelene kakhulu, futhi lokho kubuhlungu kakhulu. Ukuqhathanisa ukufunda okuqonde kukho konke futhi ucabanga ukuthi, uyazi, izibilini zizokutshela ukuthi isimo sezulu sizobe sinjani. Okuxhuma kakhulu, kepha akusizi ngempela emhlabeni. 

Futhi into ethokozisayo engiyitholile - futhi kuyinto enhle ongayisho - kepha ukulawula okuncane onakho empilweni yakho, maningi amathuba okuthi uphendukele ekucabangeni komlingo ukukunikeza inkohliso yokulawula. Futhi akukho lutho olungalungile ngalokho! Lokho kweqa kokholo okuyindlela engacabangi, engenangqondo yokucabanga kungaba lusizo olukhulu futhi kunothise futhi kube nomsoco, futhi akukho lutho olungalungile ngalokho. Futhi kuyasihlanganisa. Njengomphakathi nezinhlobo, siyakudinga lokho. Sidinga ukuzizwa simunye futhi sidinga isiko futhi sidinga izinkolelo zomphakathi nezabelwana ukuze sijabule futhi sibe nempilo. 

Ngakho-ke bekungukubheka lokho okweqise futhi kuvunyelwe umlingiswa wethu ophakathi oqala ngakunye. Kepha uzwa ubuhlungu ekuqaleni kwendaba. Uyazama, kepha uyisithulu kancane emphakathini futhi kunzima kakhulu kuye. Futhi ukumvumela ukuthi angene esikhaleni somphakathi lapho ehlanganyela khona isiko lokudla futhi abelana ngalolo xhumano nabantu ngaphambili, empeleni, uyazi, kuyaphela. Kepha unokuxhumana okunothile futhi okuyiqiniso njengo [Imfiva Yolwandle] kukhula, ngenkathi ngasikhathi sinye kuvumela amandla esitayela sakhe sokuqonda ukuthi aqhube yonke indaba. 

I-KM: Ngibonile ukuthi - ngokwesabeka okukhulu kwase-Ireland - kunesihloko esikhulu semvelo, futhi leyo ngqikithi yemvelo iyamangalisa. Ingabe ukwethuka kuyinto enkulu ngendlela eyiyo eMelika, noma ngabe uhlobo alulukhulu kangako e-Ireland?

NH: Lowo ngumbuzo othakazelisa ngempela. Nginganqikaza ukuhlanganisa ngoba ngibona sengathi bonke abenzi bamafilimu bahlukile, futhi kunzima kakhulu ukubona ngaphakathi kosiko lwakho okwenzekayo. Kulula kakhulu ukuyibuka ngaphandle bese ubona lawo ma-motifs ekhuphuka kaninginingi. 

Idolobha elikhulu e-Ireland linabantu abayizigidi eziyi-1.5 kuphela, ngakho-ke asinayo indawo enkulu yezimboni, futhi isiko lezolimo libe yinto enkulu empilweni yase-Ireland. Futhi ngicabanga ukuthi impela ngumphakathi wobuzwe e-Ireland; sithambekele kakhulu emndenini futhi ukuxhumana nomphakathi kubaluleke kakhulu kithina, futhi nezimpande zibaluleke kakhulu kithi. 

Kukhona umthungo ocebile wezinganekwane zendabuko e-Ireland nasekubalweni kwezindaba, futhi okuningi kuyinto eyi-gothic [ehlekisayo]. Izindaba zivame ukuba mnyama impela! Njengoba zinjalo, ngicabanga, emhlabeni wonke uma kukhulunywa ngokuxoxa izindaba ze-folkloric. Yilezo izingathekiso zokuphupha - ungangeni ehlathini ebusuku! Ngakho-ke ngicabanga ukuthi lokho kwazisa umcabango wase-Ireland.

Uma ubheka abenzi bamafilimu base-Ireland eminyakeni edlule, kuvame ukuthi kube nokuzwela okukhulu kwe-gothic emsebenzini. Ubheka uNeil Jordan, kufana nokuthi, uJesu kukhona owe-gothic [ehleka]. AbakwaLodger - lokho kuhlolwe [kwa-TIFF] eminyakeni emibili eyedlule - kunalolo hlobo olufanayo lokuzwela kwe-gothic. Ichibi Lasebusika unakho ukuzwela okufanayo kwe-gothic. Ngakho-ke, yebo… ngicabanga ukuthi kukhona okuthile [ehleka].

KM: Yisiphi iseluleko ongasinikeza kulabo abafisa ukwenza abenzi bamafilimu besifazane?

NH: Ngingasho izinto ezintathu. Ngingasho ukuthi ungaceli imvume, yenza nje. Khuluma okucabangayo. Futhi uma ungajabule, yisho kanjalo. 

Ngicabanga ukuthi kunzima, namanje. Ngisebenze iminyaka engama-20 kuthelevishini esezingeni eliphakeme, futhi kaningi lapho ngihamba kusethi, ngingumqondisi wokuqala wesifazane omunye wabasebenzi asebenze naye. Kusamangaza namanje. 

Kunabesifazane abaningi, abaningi, abaningi efilimini, futhi kunabesifazane abaningi, abanekhono ngempela kwifilimu. Futhi kunabesifazane abaningi abadumile, abakhanyayo, abaphumelele kakhulu kwifilimu. Kodwa ngokwezibalo, kukhona uphahla lwengilazi. Kukhona uphahla lwengilazi lapho kunenqwaba yabesifazane abasebenza ezingeni elithile, futhi uma isabelomali sikhuphukile, inani labesifazane liyehla. Futhi lokho kungukukhetha okungazi lutho. Ngakho-ke umbuzo uthi singakunqoba kanjani ukwenzelela okungazi lutho? 

Iqiniso ukuthi, akuyona inkinga yethu kuphela. Asikwazi ukuzixazululela lokhu ngokwethu, sidinga wonke umuntu ukuxazulula le nkinga. Akuyona inkinga engaxazululeki - kuyinkinga elula ukuyixazulula [iyahleka]. Futhi ngicabanga ukuthi into esingayenza ukuqhubeka nokusebenza, ukuqhubeka nokusebenza. Ungaceli imvume. Uma abantu bekugxeka, vele bakuthathe bagibele, bakucabangele, bakwamukele, bamukele ukugxekwa, bese uqhubeka usebenza. 

KM: Bekugqugquzelwa ini Imfiva Yolwandle, futhi uthonywa yini uma wenza ifilimu?

NH: Lowo ngumbuzo omuhle. Ngicabanga imithwalo nezinto eziningi ezahlukahlukene impela. Ngicabanga ukuthi iphalethi lakho lamasiko libanzi njengoba ungumenzi wefilimu - njengomdali, imvamisa, ngiyaqiniseka ukuthi uyavuma - kukhula kube ngcono, ngoba awazi ukuthi yini ezokukitaza, noma awazi ukuthi usebenza nini inkinga yendaba kuzoqhamuka ngemuva kwekhanda lakho. 

Kuzoba yingxoxo oyifundile, noma inoveli oyifundile, noma okuthile okuvela kwenye indawo ehluke ngokuphelele ukuthi uya kuphi, lokho kuyiqiniso ngempela futhi angikaze ngikucabange kanjalo ngaphambili, kepha lokho kuzwakala kuyiqiniso futhi kumuntu kimi futhi ngingasebenzisa lolo lwazi noma umzuzu ophawulekayo - noma yini. Ngakho-ke ngicabanga ukuthi kubalulekile ukuthi uhlale ubanzi futhi uhlale unentshisekelo kukho konke. 

Ngalokhu, ngicabanga ukuthi amafilimu angithonye kakhulu kungenzeka ukuthi amafilimu afana nawo Ukufika, Ukuqothulwa, Alien, kusobala… wonke amafilimu A [ehleka]. Yileyondawo enhle impela emnandi phakathi kokunotha, okuyiqiniso, okuyiqiniso, okuphikisanayo, ukwahlukaniswa okucacile okuzwakala kugxilile futhi kuyiqiniso, nento efana nephupho oyilethayo uhambe, kuthiwani uma. Kuthiwani uma lokhu. Kepha ukungavumeli leyo nto efana nephupho ithathe izintambo, ngakho-ke ungayivumeli ukuthi ibe uhlobo nje lokushayeka-bang-whollop nochungechunge lwemiphumela yokubuka, kepha kunalokho ukumane ukwethule njengokufaka itshe emanzini ukuze zonke izidleke zibe yizinto ngibhekile. Ngakho-ke lokho bekungumbono.

 

Ukuthola okuningi kusuka ku-TIFF 2019, Chofoza lapha izibuyekezo, izingxoxo, nokuningi!