Into Yokugcina UMariya Wabona iyisengezo esisha kakhulu ohlotsheni lwesimanje lwesintu oluthusayo. I-debut yomqondisi ka-Edoardo Vitaletti, le filimu inikeza uhlobo oluhlukile lwesiqephu sesikhathi esisabekayo kunalokho umuntu ebengakulindela. 

Kudlalwa uStefanie Scott (Insidious: Isahluko 3, Umfana Omuhle, Isabelle Fuhrman (Intandane, Imidlalo Yendlala, I-Novice) kanye noRory Culkin (Lords of Chaos, Memeza 4), Into Yokugcina UMariya Wabona iyimoto emnyama yezinhlamvu ezithokozisayo ezivezwe ngendlela emangalisayo. 

Into Yokugcina UMariya Wabona igxile kuMary (Scott) othandana nesisebenzi sasendlini, u-Eleanor (Fuhrman), kanye nokungavunyelwa okunzima komndeni wakhe, ebajezisa ngokungaqondi kwabo uNkulunkulu. Amantombazane ahlela umnyakazo wawo olandelayo njengoba umhlaseli (uCulkin) ehlasela ikhaya lawo. 

Le filimu isanda kuphuma ku-Shudder, futhi sathola ithuba lokuxoxa nomqondisi mayelana nogqozi olungene kule movie, ukukhuliswa kwakhe kwamaKatolika nokuthi kungani lena kwakungeyona ifilimu yabathakathi.

U-Bri Spieldenner: Bekuyini ugqozi lwakho Into Yokugcina UMariya Wabona?

U-Edoardo Vitaletti: Kwakufana nenqubo yezingxenye ezimbili. Bengibheka kakhulu umlando wobuciko waseNyakatho Yurophu ngenkathi ngiwubhala, izinto eziningi zekhulu le-19 kanye nemicu evamile ebonakalayo njengezigcawu zomngcwabo, izindlu zasehlobo. Umdwebi wase-Danish (u-Vilhelm) u-Hammershoi, onochungechunge oluhle lwezifundo zesifazane eyedwa efunda incwadi kulawa makhaya ekhulu le-19 lase-Copenhagen, futhi ngangifuna ukubhala nokudubula okuthile okuphethe lolo hlobo lokuzwa okuzolile, okudabukisayo, nokuvusa inkanuko.

I-EV: Ngakho lokho kwakuyingxenye yakho futhi enye ingxenye, engangingumuntu siqu, ngakhulela engxenyeni yezwe engokwenkolo kakhulu. Ngiqonde ukuthi, ngivela e-Italy, ngakho-ke ungumKatolika kakhulu futhi yini futhi ngesikole sikahulumeni kanye nesikole sangeSonto neMisa nakho konke okukhula kukhondliwa umbono othile womhlaba othi ukhuthaza ukubandakanywa nothando kubo bonke 'Ngicabanga ukuthi lokho kuyiqiniso, ngicabanga ukuthi kuyifilosofi eneshwa elikhethekile elikutshela ukuthi wamukelekile, inqobo nje uma ungena ebhokisini elithile futhi bengifuna ukuveza ukukhungatheka kwami ​​ngokumelene nalo. 

Futhi futhi, ezinye zezinto njengoba ngishilo, ngike ngafundiswa kukho konke ukuphila kwami ​​nasekukhuleni kwami. Futhi nginqume ukukubuka lokho nge-lens yobunikazi kanye nobulili.

BS: Kuhle lokho. Nginentshisekelo ngempela ezicini zomdwebo zokukhuthazwa kwakho. Ngazi kahle uhlobo lwemidwebo okhuluma ngayo nokuthi ifilimu yakho ifana kanjani nami ngaleyo ndlela. Nami ngakhula ngingumKatolika futhi ngizizwa ngendlela efanayo nawe. Ngakho-ke ngiyayithola leyo vibe futhi ngikwazisa kakhulu lokho ngomsebenzi wakho. Ingabe uzizwa uthukuthele kakhulu ngobuKristu?

I-EV: Kunezigaba zempilo yakho lapho ubudlelwano bakho nezinto okhule nazo bushintsha futhi ngicabanga ukuthi ukubhala lokhu bekuvela endaweni yokukhungatheka, endaweni yokucasuka, endaweni yenqwaba yalezo zinto. Ngoba ngicabanga ukuthi kunodaba olubalulekile lokukhuluma ngenkolo njengohlobo oluhlanganisayo lwefilosofi kuyilapho esikhundleni salokho kuhlale kunenkanyezi. 

Futhi ngibone abantu abaningi beziphatha ngendlela abaphikisi befilimu yami abenza ngayo. Futhi ngicabanga ukuthi abantu uhlobo lokunganaki ukuthi kungakanani lokho okukhona futhi kimi, bekufana nendlela yokubhekana nalokho kusuka endaweni yentukuthelo ngenxa yami kwakumayelana nokudalula ukungavikeleki kohlelo lwenkolelo okuthi lapho inselelo ibhidlika futhi. isebenzisa udlame ukuzilungisa. Ngokungafanele kunjalo kunjalo. 

“Kimina bekumayelana nokudalula ukungavikeleki kwenkolelo yokuthi uma inselelo ibhidlika futhi isebenzise udlame ukuzilungisa”

BS: Omunye umbuzo olandelayo kulokho. Ngakho-ke njengoba ifilimu yakho inale dichotomy yalaba balingisi abadala bese laba balingisi abancane abanezinkolelo ezihlukile, ngokusobala, ababhaliseli imibono efanayo. Ingabe unomuzwa wokuthi ubuKristu noma inkolo namuhla luhlobo oluthile lokushintsha? Futhi ucabanga ukuthi lokho kubonakala emsebenzini wakho noma uzizwa kanjani ngalokho?

I-EV: Nokho, uma kuziwa kulokho engabhekana nakho, ngiphuma e-Italy, okungenani, ngoba lokho selokhu ngafika eNew York eminyakeni eyisikhombisa edlule, futhi angiphindanga ngisaya esontweni. Kumnandi ukucabanga nokusho ukuthi inkolo iyashintsha. Ngithanda ukucabanga kanjalo, angazi ngokuphelele ukuthi inkolo yobuKrestu nobuKhatholika buvuma bona izinto ezithile okufanele bazivume ukuze bakhule. Ngakho-ke kunjengoba ngishilo noma ngabe izinto ziyashintsha futhi zithuthuka kulo lonke uhlelo oluhle lwezinto, ngicabanga ukuthi kukhona nje umkhakha wezinye izindaba lapho izindaba ezifana nekaMary no-Eleanor zivame ukwehliswa ngakho-ke kunguyebo futhi. cha ngiyacabanga. 

Kuhlala kumayelana nokungavumi ngokugcwele izinga lodlame nokwenza abantu bazizwe njengabalahliwe okwenzekayo. Futhi kanye kuphela ngokuvuma ukuthi ngicabanga ukuthi uya phambili ngempela. Ngisakhuluma nabantu abaningi hhayi abomndeni wami, ngiyabonga, kodwa basedolobheni lami noma abanjalo abacabanga ukuthi abantu abathandana nabobulili obufanayo akufanele bashade noma bangabi nabantwana noma bangabi nabo emphakathini. Ngakho, angazi. Angazi ukuthi kuhamba ngokushesha njengoba kufanele. Ngiyaqiniseka ukuthi ayishintshi ngokushesha, ngokushesha njengoba kufanele.

BS: Ngendaba yobudlelwano bama-queer. Engikuthokozele kakhulu ngefilimu yakho ukuthi ikhombisa umbono ohluke kakhulu wobudlelwano obungajwayelekile. Awuboni ukuthi baqale kanjani lobu budlelwano. Iphuzu lonke ukuthi umndeni wabo awubathandi, kodwa ngibona sengathi sonke isikhathi bafana, sisabonisa ubudlelwano bethu obala, asinandaba, siphila nje wethu. izimpilo. 

Ngabe ufike lapho ngombono othile? Noma ukwenze ngamabomu lokho noma bekukugqugquzela ngani lokho?

I-EV: Kwakunenjongo ngomqondo wokuthi ngangingenasithakazelo ekuxoxeni indaba lapho noma nini abalingiswa ababili abayinhloko babenomuzwa wokuthi kufanele babuze abakwenzayo. Angikaze ngifune ukuthi babuyele emuva babuze ngezinyathelo ababezithatha ukuze bakhululeke noma babe ndawonye. 

Ngoba njengoba ngishilo, ngicabanga ukuthi i-angle yami bekuwukukhombisa ukuthi yiluphi lolu hlobo lwenkolelo ye-monolithic eqinile futhi ehlekisayo, kwenzekani kulo uma iqala ukuwohloka ngoba iyabahlukumeza futhi benze udlame, futhi bayabaxosha, kodwa abakaze. Buyela phansi. Bayahlupheka futhi bayakhala, kodwa akukho lapho befana khona, kulungile, mhlawumbe lokhu akuwona umqondo omuhle wokuba ndawonye. Okubi kakhulu bakhuluma ngokucophelela izinsuku ezimbalwa ngemuva kokulungiswa kokuqala noma okuthize kodwa lokho bekuhlale kungumbono wami ngoba ngicabanga ukuthi kumayelana nalokho. 

Bengingafuni ukuthi kube ngabalingiswa abeza bezobuza ngobudlelwano babo ngoba angicabangi ukuthi ngake ngabuka ifilimu ekhuluma ngabalingiswa ababili abaqondile abazwa sengathi kunephuzu endabeni lapho kuzofanele babuze ukuthi kungani. bandawonye. Lokho akwenzeki ngabalingiswa ababili abaqondile futhi thina njengabalaleli asilindele ukuthi lokho kwenzeke. Futhi angiboni ukuthi kungani kufanele ngikulindele lokho ebudlelwaneni be-queer, ngisho nasezweni elibatshela ukuthi bangabi ndawonye. Ngakho-ke kwakuyi-engeli yami leyo.

BS: Ngizizwa ngithanda lokho ikakhulukazi, futhi ngokulungiselelwa kwefilimu, kungikhumbuza amafilimu amaningi abathakathi, kodwa awakaze abizwe ngokuthi abathakathi futhi awalokothi ahlonishwe ngokuqondile ngaphandle kokuthi mhlawumbe ugogo nalokho akwenzayo kodwa ubufuna ukwenza le movie yabathakathi noma ukhethe ngamabomu ukungakwenzi lokho?

I-EV: Mina ngamabomu angifunanga ukukusho lokho, ngoba uma ngibuka umlando wokusolwa ngokuthakatha, kuyingxenye yesiko lobudlozi, bezama ukucindezela abantu besifazane. Kungeminyaka yawo-1600s babizwa ngabathakathi kwathi ngeminyaka yawo-1800s, lolo hlobo lwaqala ukuhamba kancane. Futhi ezinsukwini zanamuhla, kunezindlela ezehlukene lapho owesifazane ophila nje ukuphila kwakhe ebizwa ngokuthi nje ukwehliselwa emkhakheni wezinye. 

Ngakho-ke kimina igama elithi “umthakathi” liyashintsha phakathi namakhulu eminyaka futhi mhlawumbe aliphathwa ngesinye isikhathi, noma liyakhulunywa kwezinye, kodwa liyinto efanayo ngaso sonke isikhathi. Ngiqonde ukuthi akukhulunywa ngokuthakatha. Kumayelana nokuphoqelela isiko lokuthi “awukwazi ukukhuluma. Awutholi ukuzimelela. Ngeke ube khona.” 

Ngakho-ke, kuyafana, indlela okuvezwa ngayo ngesikhathi lapho ukushiswa komuntu esigxotsheni kwakungokomthetho, ukuthi ezweni esiphila kulo namuhla lihlukile. Ngakho-ke angizange ngizizwe sengathi ngangidinga ngisho nokukhuluma ngobuthakathi, ngoba kuhlale kufana nje. 

Kwangathi kwakungekona ngisho ukuthakatha ngenkathi kuthakathwa. Bekuyimizamo nje yesiko ukwehlisela abesifazane kwelinye izinga lokuthuliswa. Ayengemaningi amadoda asolwa ngokuthakatha. Ngakho lokho kusho okuthile.

“Kwakungekona ngisho ukuthakatha ngesikhathi kusathakathwa. Bekuyimizamo nje yesiko ukwehlisela abesifazane kwelinye izinga lokuthuliswa”

BS: Ngiyavumelana impela nombono wakho lapho. Umbuzo enginawo ngale filimu uthi kuqhubekani ngencwadi ekuyo? Ingabe leyo ncwadi ingokoqobo, futhi kungani ukhethe ukuthi le filimu igxile kule ncwadi?

I-EV: Bengifuna ukuba nalolu cezu lwezincwadi oluyilento eziveza kini nobabili njengomngane ngesikhathi esithile nanjengesitha. Nokho, ngesikhathi esifanayo la mantombazane amabili afunda lezi zindaba ndawonye ngesikhathi sokusondelana, ukuthula, futhi ayakujabulela ukuzifunda. Kunendaba okuthi uma kukhulunywa ngesithombe bezwa sengathi ikhuluma ngabo, kube sengathi bazithola sebekuyo. Futhi lokho kwakungomunye wemigomo yami. 

Kodwa-ke umqondo wawuwukuthi leyo ncwadi izophenduka isitha lapho ekugcineni uqaphela ukuthi iyisiqalekiso esikhulu futhi okwenzeka kuMariya kwakulotshwe kuyo ngaphambili. Uma ufunda incwadi yobuKristu esemthethweni, lapho ufunda iBhayibheli, izikhathi eziningi ubuKristu bukhuluma ngodeveli eyisitha futhi esenza izinto ezimbi, kodwa-ke ufunda iBhayibheli, futhi kukhona uNkulunkulu ophonsa amalangabi nezikhukhula nezinto. kubantu futhi kufana nokuthi, ubani omubi wangempela, owenza ububi bangempela. 

Futhi ngicabanga ukuthi lencwadi iwumuphi umehluko phakathi kwemibhalo yobuqaba, efana noDeveli, futhi lapho iBhayibheli likutshela ukuthi uNkulunkulu wabulala abantu ngoba babenza izinto, ngakho-ke iwuhlobo lwalenhlanganisela ehamba kulomugqa bese intanta kancane. emuva naphambili. Ngoba kimina, awukho umehluko ngezinye izikhathi kulabo abangakholelwa eBhayibhelini kulabo abangakholelwa enkolweni yamaKatolika noma ebuKristwini bebonke, kuyizinganekwane. Ubuqaba. 

Futhi bakuthatha kanjalo, bese-ke kubuya ukuzokulimaza. Kufana nalesi sitha esinobuso obubili esingavezi nhlobo isimo saso sangempela. Futhi ngicabanga ukuthi lokho kuyingcosana yobudlelwane bami nobuKristu.

BS: Kuyathakazelisa kakhulu lokho. Ngakho le ncwadi ngokubona kwakho ifana nokumelela iBhayibheli?

I-EV: Ngokwezinga elithile, yebo, ngesikhathi esifanayo into amantombazane acabanga ukuthi ingumngane wawo ngoba athanda ukuyifunda ndawonye. Kodwa-ke umlingiswa we-matriarchal ugcina esesebenzisa ibhayibheli lakhe, uvikela lesi simiso esingabonakali esasingagunyaziwe ngusathane, ngokubona kwami ​​sasigunyazwe nguNkulunkulu. Futhi ubani onayo? Uyini umehluko? Uma bobabili bekufakazelwe ukuthi benza izinto ezimbi kubantu?

BS: Yimuphi umlayezo ongathanda ukuthi izethameli ziwuthathe kufilimu yakho?

I-EV: Angazi, uhlobo nje lombuzo umehluko phakathi kokuhle nokubi. Futhi njengoba kuhle ilebula elihle ukuthi ezinye izinto ziba nalo eduze kwegama lazo. Kodwa yini umehluko phakathi kukaNkulunkulu omuhle nalokho akwenzayo ngokumelene nosathane kanye nabakwenzayo, leyo ngxenye ebilokhu ingikhathaza kancane. Ngakho ngicabanga ukuthi kuwukubuza nje lokho kufakwa ilebula. Ngingathi.

“Buza umehluko phakathi kokuhle nokubi… buza lokho kufakwa ilebula”

BS: Lowo umlayezo omuhle wezinsuku zanamuhla engizizwayo. Njengoba ungumNtaliyane, ingabe unomuzwa wokuthi unalo ithonya lase-Italy kule filimu?

I-EV: Angazi. Ngizwa sengathi yini umehluko phakathi kokuba umNtaliyane nokuba umKatolika? Kodwa lokho kuyingxenye enkulu yakho, ngicabanga. Ikakhulukazi lokho angazi. Ngiqondise ifilimu eyodwa emfushane lapha eyayingesiNtaliyane. Futhi lokho kwakucishe kufike lapho isipiliyoni sami sokuqondisa sase-Italy sahamba khona. 

Kodwa ngingasho uhlobo lwesisindo samasiko sokukhulela enkolweni, nokuyinto ongeke uyibuze uma ukuyo, bese uyaphuma kuyo. Futhi kufana nokuthi, o, linda, ubambe umzuzwana. Kungani ngangicwiliswa emanzini angcwele nginezinyanga eziyisithupha ubudala, kungani kungekho muntu owangicela ukuba ngenze lokho? Ngakho-ke ngingasho ukuthi yebo, kuyishwa elincane, kodwa ngicabanga ukuthi yilokho okuyikho. 

Kodwa ngithanda i-cinema yase-Italy. Kunamamuvi amaningi amahle wesiNtaliyane engiwathandayo futhi ngiyawathanda amasiko ami ngokuphathelene nezincwadi kanye nabantu nakho konke. Ngakho-ke lesi yisigaba sokukhungatheka uma kukhulunywa ngokucabanga ngempilo yami ekhaya, kodwa ngethemba ukuthi amathonya anemibala eminingi azoba khona ngokuqinisekile.

BS: Kuyamangaza. Ingabe unokuthile okusha emisebenzini?

I-EV: Into ebengiyibhala, ngisebenza kolunye uhlobo lwefilimu ngendlela efanayo, enye isiqephu senkathi. Angikwazi ukwabelana kakhulu ngakho manje, kodwa ngethemba maduzane. Ngakho yebo, into ethile emkhakheni ofanayo.

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