Hereditary imele isici esiqondisa i-debut ye- U-Ari Aster, owake waqondisa amafilimu amafushane ayisithupha. Kusukela Hereditary kukhonjiswe okokuqala kuSundance Film Festival ngoJanuwari 2018, abagxeki baqhathanisa Hereditary kumafilimu wesithonjana afana Ingane kaRosemary futhi The Shining futhi wabiza u-Aster nge-auteur.

Ingxoxo elandelayo no-Aster yenziwa nge-imeyili esontweni lokuqala lika-Ephreli.  Hereditary kuvulwa kumatiyetha ngoJuni 8.

DG: Yayiyini imvelaphi, ugqozi lweHereditary, futhi sibaluleke ngani isihloko sefilimu?

I-AA: Bengifuna ukuzindla ngokujulile ngosizi nokuhlukumezeka okuhamba kancane kube yiphupho - indlela impilo engazizwa ngayo njengephupho elibi lapho kugadla inhlekelele. Ukubaluleka kwangempela kwesihloko akufanele kuvele kumbukeli kuze kube sekupheleni kwefilimu, kodwa kwanele ukusho lokho Hereditary ukhathazeka ngokuyinhloko ngobuqili bezibopho zomndeni. Ngokuqhubeka kwefilimu, kuya ngokuya kucace ukuthi lo mndeni awunayo inkululeko yokuzikhethela; isiphetho sabo sidluliselwe kubo, futhi kuyifa abangenathemba lokulinyakaza.

DG: Yiziphi izingqikithi obufuna ukuzihlola ngale filimu?

I-AA: Kunama-movie amaningi akhuluma ngenhlekelele eletha abantu ndawonye nokuqinisa ama-bond. Bengifuna ukwenza ifilimu ngazo zonke izindlela usizi olungahlukanisa abantu nokuthi ukuhlukumezeka kungamguqula kanjani umuntu ngokuphelele - hhayi ukuthi kube ngcono! Ifa liyisidleke sezimo ezimbi kakhulu eziholela esiphethweni esibi, esingenathemba. Manje ngidinga ukuphenya ukuthi kungani bengifuna ukukwenza konke lokho.

DG: Yikuphi isu lesitayela, elibukwayo wena nomcwaningi wakho wesinema enalidingida ngalo ngaphambi kokuqala kokuthwebula, futhi ungakuchaza kanjani ukubukeka nefoni yefilimu?

I-AA: Yebo, bengisebenza ne-DP yami, uPawel Pogorzelski, selokhu ngahlangana naye e-AFI, futhi sakha isifinyezo esimangazayo. Sikhuluma ulimi olufanayo, kuze kufike ezingeni lokuthi sicasuke omunye komunye lapho kukhona ukungaboni ngaso linye noma ukungezwani. Indlela engisebenza ngayo - futhi nginesiqiniseko sokuthi kunezindlela ezingcono zokusebenza - ukuthi ngihlala ngiqala ngokuqamba uhlu lwama-shot, futhi angikhulumi nanoma ngubani kubasebenzi kuze kube lelo hlu lokudubula seluphelile. Ukusuka lapho, imibuzo yokwenza, ukukhanyisa, ukwakhiwa kokukhiqizwa, njll, iba maphakathi. Kepha okokuqala, yonke inhloko yomnyango idinga ukwazi ukubona ifilimu ekhanda labo. Kulokhu, ikhamera ibingaba uketshezi kakhulu, ihlukaniswe, ibukele - iphazamise. Ithoni inzima ukukhuluma nayo… kodwa ngingasho ukuthi bengivame ukutshela abasebenzi ukuthi ifilimu kufanele izizwe imubi. Sikanye nomndeni, futhi sihlangene nawo ekungazini kwethu okwenzeka ngempela, kepha futhi kufanele kube nomqondo wokuthi siwabuka ngombono owazi kakhulu, nonya.

DG: Yimaphi amathonya ohlobo owalethe kule filimu, futhi ucabanga ukuthi yiziphi izethameli ezizothola eziphoqayo nezesabisayo ngale filimu?

I-AA: Bekubalulekile kimina ukuthi sihambele idrama yomndeni ngaphambi kokuthi sinake izinto ezishaqisayo. Ifilimu ibidinga ukuzimela njengenhlekelele yasekhaya ngaphambi kokuthi isebenze njenge-movie esabisayo. Ngakho-ke, izinkomba eziningi engizinikeze abasebenzi bezingewona amafilimu asabisayo. UMike Leigh wayengomunye - ikakhulukazi Izimfihlo Namanga futhi Konke noma Lutho. Siphinde sakhuluma ngokungathi sína ngakho Isiphepho Seqhwa futhi In the Bedroom, eguqukayo kumaki wemizuzu engama-30 engahlukile kangako kunaleyo eHereditary. UBergman ungomunye wamaqhawe ami, futhi iCryies and Whispers kwakuyinto engangiyicabanga, kanye ne-Autumn Sonata ngendlela eyayisebenzelana ngayo nobudlelwano bomama nendodakazi. Amafilimu ethusayo esixoxe ngawo ikakhulu avela kuma-60s and 70s. Ingane kaRosemary kwakuyitshe lokuthinta elisobala. Ungabheki Manje yinkulu. UNicholas Roeg, ngokuvamile, wayemkhulu kimi. Ngiyayithanda ekaJack Clayton Abangenacala. Futhi-ke kukhona amafilimu amahle kakhulu aseJapan - Ugetsu, Onibaba, I-Empire of Passion, Kwaidan, ukuroneko...

DG: Ungawuchaza kanjani umdlandla womndeni okhona phakathi komndeni wakwaGraham lapho siqala ukuhlangana nabo kule filimu, futhi ungaluchaza kanjani uhambo abaluthathayo kuyo yonke ifilimu?

I-AA: AbakwaGraham bavele bahlukanisiwe uma sihlangana nabo. Umoya wawudinga ukuba mkhulu ngomlando ogcwele, ongaziwa. Ukusuka lapho, kwenzeka izinto ezisebenza ukubenza bahlukane ngokuqhubekayo, futhi lapho kuphela ifilimu, ilungu ngalinye lomndeni liba ngumuntu ongamazi nhlobo - uma kungenjalo libonakale liphindwe kabili - kwelinye. Ukubhekisa indatshana kaFreud ngokungaqondakali, ikhaya ku Hereditary iba ngokungafani ngokuqinile.

DG: Ungasichaza kanjani isimo sobubi obukhathaza umndeni wakwaGraham kule filimu, futhi basabela kanjani kulokhu?

I-AA: Kunemithelela eminingi enobuthi lapho kudlalwa. Ukuba necala, intukuthelo, ukusola, ukungathembi… bese kuba khona nedimoni.

DG: Ungasichaza kanjani isimo sobudlelwano obukhona, empilweni nasekufeni, phakathi kukaCharlie nogogo wakhe, u-Ellen?

I-AA: Ukuchaza lokhu kungaba ukukhombisa okunye okuhle okuvezwa kwifilimu. Ngizoyeka ukugwema ukonakala!

DG: Iyiphi inselelo enkulu owabhekana nayo ngesikhathi uqopha?

I-AA: Sakhe yonke ingaphakathi lendlu ngesiteji somsindo. Konke okungaphakathi endlini kwaklanywe futhi kwakhiwa kusukela ekuqaleni. Ngaphandle kwalokhu, sibe nenselelo eyengeziwe yokuthi sidinga ukudala umfanekiso omncane wendlu (phakathi kwamanye ama-miniature amaningi). Lokhu kusho ukuthi besidinga ukuklama yonke into yasekhaya kusenesikhathi ngaphambi kokudubula. Lokho akusho nje ukuthi besidinga ukunquma ngokuhleleka kwendlu nobukhulu bamakamelo, okuyinto empeleni elula kunazo zonke ukuthi usomatekisi ayenze; kwakusho ukuthi sidinga ukwenza izinqumo esizibophezele maqondana nokugqoka okubekiwe kusenesikhathi. Ngakho-ke, besidinga ukwazi ukuthi ifenisha ingaba yini, isithombe sangemuva sizoba yini, yiziphi izitshalo esizoba nazo egumbini ngalinye, yiziphi izinto esizobe sizibeka phezu kwefasitela, njalo njalo njalo njalo. Sidubule konke okubandakanya onodoli esontweni eledlule lokukhiqizwa, futhi bekuqinile kangangokuba besinemikhumbi emincane ethunyelwa kuyo kanye ngalezo zinsuku ababedutshulwa ngazo.

U-DG: UUtah, indawo othwebula kuyo, wayilethani kule filimu eyayingafani nezinye izindawo zokuqopha izithombe okungenzeka ukuthi wawuzikhethile, futhi ungachaza kanjani okwasemuva, isimo salo sefilimu?

I-AA: Yebo, ekuqaleni saya e-Utah ngoba sikwazile ukuthola okuningi kwisabelomali sethu laphaya. Futhi, uhlelo lwangempela kwakungukwenza i-movie yasebusika futhi indlu ibe nesithwathwa. Lokho kusho ukuthi ukuhlela bekufuna ukuthi sidubule ehlobo, futhi ekugcineni bengingeke ngijabule ngokwengeziwe ngamasimu ahlinzekwe yi-Utah. Manje angikwazi ukucabanga ukuthi ifilimu ibukeka ngenye indlela. Ngidinga futhi ukusho ukuthi sinabasebenzi abamangalisa kakhulu kule filimu - kusuka emnyangweni wezobuciko kuya emnyangweni wekhamera, bekungekho ukuxhumana okukodwa okubuthakathaka. Ngingancoma i-Utah kunoma ngubani ofuna ukwenza ifilimu.

DG: Yisiphi isigcawu osithandayo noma ukulandelana kwefilimu?

I-AA: Nokho, ngethemba lokugwema umchithi futhi usengozini yokuba yimfihlo ngokweqile: kukhona imontage ende kaToni Collette ekhala ngokungalawuleki (esikhathini esingangesonto), futhi ngijabule kakhulu ngokuthi kuvele kanjani.

DG: Ngenkathi ngifunda ngomlingiswa ka-Ann Dowd, uJoan, ngasheshe ngacabanga ngoBillie Whitelaw njengoNkk. Baylock I-Omen. Ungayichaza kanjani indima kaJoan kule filimu?

AA: Umlingiswa wakhe nakanjani ukulelo siko. Ngaleyo ndaba, ubuye abe yisiko labalingiswa abanjengoCastevets in Ingane kaRosemary noma u-Hilary Mason's blind clairvoyant in Ungabheki Manje. Kubangelwa ukungabaza okungenathemba komakhelwane onomusa obonakala sengathi ukukhathalele kakhulu. Kalula, ubuye aqhamuke esikweni emidlalweni yomndeni yabantu bangaphandle abanomusa abangenela ukuhlinzeka isitolo selungu elingalodwa leyunithi engasebenzi kahle. UJudd Hirsch ku-Ordinary People uyisibonelo esisodwa.

I-DG: Ngenxa yokusabela okuhle ngokweqile ifilimu esikutholile kuze kube manje, okuyinto exakayo ngefilimu engakakhishwa nokukhishwa ngokusemthethweni, kuzwakala sengathi ifilimu leli selivele lifinyelele ezingeni eliphezulu kakhulu ngaphambi kokuba iningi lomhlaba libe ithuba lokuyibona. Yini ohlangabezane nayo, maqondana nokuphendula kwezilaleli, ngesikhathi sokuhlungwa osuke waya kukho kuze kube manje, futhi ungakuchaza kanjani ukusabela okutholile kwifilimu kuze kube manje?

I-AA: Ukuphendula kube mnandi kakhulu. Ukukhuluma iqiniso, ekuqaleni ngangikhululeke kakhulu ukuthi abantu babengacabangi ukuthi kwakuyisiqeshana esikhulu. Kepha ufunda ngokushesha ukuthi kuyinto ekhetheke ngokwehlukile, noma ngabe i-movie yakho esabekayo iyasebenza noma cha. Kufana nokwenza amahlaya. Kuphakathi kokuthi abantu bayahleka noma abahleki. Kepha ngingasho ukuthi awukho umuzwa wokuthi izilaleli zihlangene zihayize ngento oyenzile. I-dopamine ephezulu kakhulu.

DG: Njengoba lena kuyifilimu yakho yokuqala, ungaluchaza kanjani uhambo oluthathe kule minyaka eyishumi edlule?

I-AA: Ngibhala ama-screenplay kusukela ngineminyaka eyishumi nambili ubudala. Ngiye esikoleni samafilimu eKolishi laseSanta Fe ngaphambi kokufunda iDirecting e-American Film Institute. Ngemuva kokuphothula i-AFI, ngenza amafilimu amafushane amaningi, futhi ngesikhathi sengizobhala Hereditary, Bengineminye imibhalo eyishumi yesici ebikulungele ukwenziwa (emibili yayo ebisendleleni yokwenziwa ngaphambili Hereditary). Kube ngumgwaqo omude, kepha bengingeke ngibusiswe ngezinsizakusebenza ezinkulu noma abahlanganyeli abanamandla kunalabo abakhona Hereditary. Ngizibona nginenhlanhla ngokweqile.

I-DG: Kumuntu ongakaze abone noma yimuphi umsebenzi wakho wangaphambilini, amafilimu akho amafushane, ungathini uphawu lwakho, isiginesha yakho, njengomqondisi, nokuthi yini ekhomba Hereditary Njengefilimu ye-Ari Aster?

I-AA: Ngikhumbula uthisha wami omkhulu e-AFI, uPeter Markham, ethi ukwenza ifilimu (noma kufanele kube) kungukonakala. Ngiyavumelana ngenhliziyo yonke naloyo muzwa. Ifa kanye nawo wonke amafilimu ami amafushane (futhi cishe wonke amafilimu engihlose ukuwenza kusuka lapha) ayiminikelo ethembayo kulelo siko lokwenza okubi.

DG: Ucabangani Hereditary ime ngaphandle kwebutho lamanye amafilimu enhlobo ezimakethe?

AA: Angizizwa kuyindawo yami yokukhuluma nalokho. Ngizothi uma ifilimu isebenza, ngikholwa wukuthi kungenxa yokuthi ngikwenze kwaba inhloso yami ukuhlala ngihlonipha abalingiswa ngaphambi kwanoma yini enye. Futhi, kunenani elinomusa kakhulu lobunqunu obugcwele engiqinisekise ukuthi ngiyabufaka.

DG: Uma ubheka emuva kuwo wonke amava wokwenza Hereditary, ingabe kukhona inkumbulo eyodwa evelele njengokutshela kakhulu ngayo yonke le nto, lapho ubheka emuva ohambweni oluthathe nefilimu?

I-AA: Angikwazi ukucabanga ngenkumbulo eyodwa ikakhulukazi. Ngingasho ukuthi kube nezikhathi eziningana ngesikhathi sokukhiqiza lapho ngivele ngakhumbula ngokungazelelwe ukuthi empeleni bengiyenza i-movie. Bekulokhu kuyiphupho lami lelo. Ngakho-ke ngizozama ukukhumbula ukuzwa izinyawo zami phansi futhi ngiyakwazisa lokho. Lezo kwakuyizikhathi ezihamba phambili.