Kudlala uJim Cummings noPJ McCabe, Ukuhlolwa kwe-Beta kulandela umenzeli waseHollywood othembisene umshado othola incwadi engaqondakali yokuhlangana kocansi okungaziwa futhi abanjwe ogibeni lomhlaba omubi lokuqamba amanga, ukungathembeki, nedatha yedijithali. Ifilimu emnyama, eqondile, futhi ehlekisa ngokungasoli enomphetho obukhali.

Uma uwazi amafilimu adlule kaCummings, Impisi Yeqhwa Elingenalutho futhi Umgwaqo Wokuduma, uzoqaphela umdanso wephimbo wamahlaya nokungaphatheki kahle. Ukuhlolwa kwe-Beta ayihlukile, kodwa iqondisa amandla ayo nge-lens ye-thriller yocansi. Idalula uhlangothi olubi lwemvelo yomuntu ngokwethembeka okunonya namahlaya amnyama.

Sahlala phansi ukuze sikhulume noCummings kanye noMcCabe - nabo ababhale futhi baqondisa ifilimu - mayelana nokubaluleka kocansi olulingisiwe oluphephile, ukuzenza isikhulu, ukudala abalingisi abanzima, kanye nenqubo yabo yokudala engajwayelekile.

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UKelly McNeely: Enye yezinto engangizithanda ngayo Ukuhlolwa kwe-Beta, ingabe ngizwe ukuthi enye inkhulumomphendvulwano idonswa izwi nezwi ezingxoxweni nabantu abangabasizi, ama-ejenti kanye nama-ex ejenti kwamanye ama-ejensi amakhulu wamathalente e-Hollywood. Ungakwazi ukukhuluma kancane ngalokho? Ngoba lokho kuyasangana.

UJim Cummings: Iqiniso. Ngakho-ke lelo zwi lokumemeza lomlingiswa wami ku-Jacqueline lithathwe engxoxweni ebe nayo nomuntu obesebenza kwenye yezikhungo ezine eziphezulu eHollywood. Kwakusesidlo sakusihlwa, futhi ngangiphethe incwadi yami enkulu eluhlaza okwesibhakabhaka, elapha ndawana thize. Nomthombo wawusho nje ukuthi kunjani ukuba lapho. Ngathi, kuhlanya kangakanani? Uke wezwa umuntu edelelwa? Nomthombo uthe, “Uzobheka kanjani kusasa uma ungena? Uzokwethula kanjani kimi namuhla ukuthi uzoba ngcono emsebenzini wakho wokujola kusasa?" Futhi yonke leyo rifu ithathwe kumenzeli omemeza umsizi wakhe kwenye yezikhungo ezine eziphezulu. 

Benginovalo kakhulu ngokulifaka efilimini. Kodwa sikwenzile, futhi kwakubhalwe nje ngoSepthemba noma ngo-Okthoba, sabe sesiyidubula. Kwase kuba ngalobo busuku lapho nganginje, oh no! Kusondele kakhulu kulokho esitshelwe ngumthombo, futhi nginovalo kakhulu ukuthi lo menzeli angathola ngakho. Futhi ngakho ngibize umthombo. Nomthombo uthe, akasoze akhumbula. Ungakhathazeki ngakho. Wenza lokho nsuku zonke. Futhi ngakho kwakunyantisa. Iwuhlelo olubi ngempela namandla ashukumisayo, lapho laba basizi basebenzela khona ngempela ubuncane beholo e-Beverly Hills, kuleli phupho lokuya phezulu eHollywood elingafiki. Futhi besifuna ukuyibonisa ngendlela engokoqobo ngangokunokwenzeka.

UKelly McNeely: Hhayi-ke wenze umsebenzi omuhle ngalokho, ngoba kubonakala kuwumsebenzi owehlisa isithunzi, ophula umoya. Wenze kahle, ngicabanga, ngokudlulisela lokho. 

UJim Cummings: Ngiyabonga. Kubi. Ngiyabonga.

UKelly McNeely: Wavelaphi-ke umbono wale filimu? Ngike ngezwa kuchazwa njengokungathi Umdlalo ihlangana Eyes Vala Wide, okubonakala kuyindlela efanelekile yokuyichaza.

UJim Cummings: Siyibiza 50 Izithunzi Ezimpunga iqondiswe ngu South Park bafo. Yebo, cha, umbono wokuqala wawuyimvilophu yocansi, kwakuyizimvilophu ezinsomi, uhlelo lokuxhuma abantu ukuba baphinge ngokungaziwa. Futhi bekuwuhlobo lwengxoxo ehlekisayo, ende esibe nayo isikhathi esingaphezu konyaka siyithuthukisa, njengokubizana nje ngokuthi, o, uma lokhu kwenzeka, lokhu kungase kuthakazelise, manje-ke bekuzokwenzekani uma lokho kwenzeka? Futhi kwavele kwangalawuleki lapho sabona khona ukuthi kufanele senze ucwaningo oluningi kunokuqagela nje ukuthi ingqalasizinda izoba yini ukuxhuma abantu ukuze babe nezindaba. Uyazi, uDavid Ehrlich uthe, ukujola kulezi zinsuku, kuzomele wenze I-Ocean Eleven isitayela heist. Bekuzoba nzima kanjalo enkathini yedijithali. Ngakuthola kuhlekisa kakhulu futhi kuyiqiniso. 

Futhi ngakho-ke senza cishe unyaka wocwaningo mayelana nokuthi umuntu angaxhuma kanjani ngempela abantu kusukela phansi ukuze baphinge, futhi sicwaninge Idatha Enkulu nezinkundla zokuxhumana nokunye okunjalo. Futhi lokho bekuyingqikithi yefilimu. Bese kuthi-ke yonke into ingene kule nto mayelana nokuqamba amanga nokukopela, nama-ejensi athalente. 

PJ McCabe: Yebo, kuqale ngempela njengoba sihlala phansi sibhala ifilimu ethusayo ebizobiza kakhulu ukuyithwebula. Iskripthi ebesinaso ekuqaleni besisanda kubizwa Amahholo Efulethi. Futhi kwaba sengathi, sizovele sidubule okuthile ezindlini zethu. Futhi-ke ayizange iphume, futhi sabhala ifilimu eyinkimbinkimbi kakhulu efana neqhwa ukusuka lapho, kodwa ngiyajabula ukuthi senze kanjalo. Ngoba, yebo, ifilimu engcono kunathi esimi emaphasishi efulethini sixakile. 

UKelly McNeely: Nixhume kanjani bafo? Nahlangana kanjani, ithini imvelaphi yakho?

UJim Cummings: Um, mhlawumbe sihlangane ephathini e-21 Cortez Street eBoston. Saya e-Emerson College ndawonye, ​​futhi u-PJ wayeseHlemeni Lokulingisa futhi mina ngangisohlelweni lwamafilimu. Futhi sasihlala sisebenza eduze komunye nomunye futhi ngezinye izikhathi ezintweni ndawonye. Kodwa empeleni, kwakungemva kwekolishi lapho ngathuthela eLos Angeles. Sabe sesiqala ukusebenza ngokubambisana njengababhali. Futhi-ke sisanda kuthola le ndlela yokubhala ndawonye lapho kuzwakala khona, nokubhala phansi okuhle kakhulu. Futhi lokho kuvele kube yinqubo yokubhala yesimo sokugeleza. Kuyahlekisa, ngendlela esithole ngayo ukuthi sizobhala ngale ndlela, sivele saqhubeka nokwenza. Futhi akekho owasitshela ukuthi cha, wonke umuntu usitshele ukuthi ungaqhubeka nokwenza ngale ndlela. 

PJ McCabe: Yebo, kwenzeka nje ngengozi. Ngiqonde ukuthi, singabangane abakhulu empilweni yangempela, kodwa yebo, kuyasiza ukukwazi ukuqhamuka nemibono eyinqaba futhi wandise kuyo, bese sivele sawela ngephutha kulobu budlelwano bokubhala obuyimpumelelo ngempela. Futhi manje sibhala inqwaba yezinto ezingasile, futhi kube mnandi. 

UJim Cummings: Akayena umngane wami omkhulu. 

PJ McCabe: Kufanele ngiyeke ukukuveza lokho ezingxoxweni, ngoba njalo ngemva kwalokho, ingxoxo ende engathandeki. 

UJim Cummings: Bonke abanye abangani bethu abakhulu bathukuthele. 

PJ McCabe: Yebo, kukhona ntambama. 

UKelly McNeely: With The Wolf of Snow Hollow, Ukuhlolwa kwe-Beta, futhi futhi ubuyela emuva Umgwaqo Wokuduma, Jim wenze inqwaba yezindima zamadoda angama-dicks aphelele, kodwa ngendlela ethandeka kakhulu ngangokunokwenzeka. Ubenza umuntu ongamsusa ngempela ngalokhu kwethembeka kwamahlaya; kunomuzwa wobudoda esimeni esibucayi, kodwa kudlalwa ngokwethembeka. Baqotho futhi baqotho, ngendlela obakhathalela ngayo ngempela. Injani inqubo yokubhala yokudala lezo zinhlamvu?

UJim Cummings: Ngiyabonga. Um, konke kuzwakala. Ngakho nginokufinyelela kwamahora angu-24 kumlingisi oholayo kulawo mafilimu amathathu. Ngakho lokho kuyasiza kakhulu. Lapho ngokusemthethweni sizoba nesigameko futhi ngizosibhala ngokuzwakalayo. Ngakho-ke ilungele izintambo zami zezwi noma kunjalo, kanye nokushintshana kwami ​​​​kwemisho nokuphimisa, bese ngiyoba eshaweni, futhi ngizobe ngenza isigameko bese ngiqhamuka nokunye okungcono okungcono kakhulu kunalokho obekuyikho. ngaphambili. Bese ngizoyibhala ohlelweni lwami lokusebenza lwe-Voice Memo, bese ngiyibhala ngefomethi ye-screenplay kamuva. Kufana nokuphonswa ndawonye, ​​sithi kufana nokwakha ibhanoyi ngenkathi ulindiza.

Kodwa-ke uma sidubula izinto, kuwubuhlakani obumangalisayo, ngoba asinaso isabelomali esiningi, noma ukuhlela ukuze sikwazi ukudubula izinto esifuna ukuzithwebula. Kuningi nje okufanele sikubambe ngekhanda ngendlela efanayo ngaso sonke isikhathi, ikakhulukazi uma uthatha isikhathi eside. Umgwaqo Wokuduma, alikho igama lokuthuthuka kuyo. Bekufanele kube ngaleyo ndlela, ngoba uma bekukhona okuthuthukile, ikhamera ibingeke igxilwe, noma i-boom mic ibingeke ibe sendaweni efanele. Ngakho-ke, ngenxa yokuthi lawa mamuvi siwenza ngamasenti, ebhotela lamantongomane namasemishi ejeli, kufanele kwenziwe ngaleyo ndlela. 

Ngempela, indlela esidala ngayo lezi zinsizwa, laba balingisi engibadlalayo, iwuhlobo lokukwenza ngokuzwakalayo futhi uhlobo lokuqagela ukuthi izethameli zizoba kuphi ngokwethembeka kwazo ngomlingisi. Ungakwazi yini ukushaya isidumbu imizuzu engu-85 efilimini futhi ubenze bahlale belungile nayo? Ungakwazi ukudonsa isibhamu kumlingani wakho omnyama imizuzu engu-70 efilimini futhi wenze izethameli zihambe, oh, nsizwa empofu? Yilo lonke lolu hlobo lwe-chemistry eyinqaba okufanele uqagele ukuthi izethameli zizoba kuphi. Futhi senze kahle kakhulu kukho. Ngisho, uyazi, kukhona ukukhala esixukwini ngezinye izikhathi. Kodwa asikaze sibe ne-walkout. Wonke umuntu ulungile futhi uyabekezelela umlingiswa. 

PJ McCabe: Ama-gasps amahle. Banake. 

UKelly McNeely: Amafilimu akho anephimbo nolimi olucacile kuwo, ngendlela enibhala ngayo imibhalo yenu kanye nendlela eniwathwebula ngayo. Uthola kanjani wonke umuntu uhlobo lwe-vibe ezingeni lakho uma udala lezi? Ngoba futhi, kuzwakala sengathi wenza umsebenzi omningi othize, onemininingwane eminingi ekudaleni konke. Ubathola kanjani bonke abantu ezingeni lakho?

UJim Cummings: Yebo, isiNgisi siyinkimbinkimbi ngendlela emangalisayo, nolimi namahlaya, kanye nokuthusayo futhi. Okuthusayo namahlaya kusebenza ndawonye ngoba kuyizinhlaka zemisho eziqhutshwa yi-punchline lapho kufana nokusetha kwakho kanye nenzuzo.

PJ McCabe: I-equation, i-forensic kakhulu. 

UJim Cummings: Ngakho-ke ngenxa yokuthi ayinkimbinkimbi kakhulu, mina no-PJ sihlala siqopha imibhalo njengama-podcasts anjengalena ngalo mbhobho. Futhi sizofaka umculo nesakhiwo somsindo ohlelweni olufanayo nesihlela ngalo ifilimu, i-Premiere Pro, futhi kuthatha amahora ambalwa ukuyiqopha. Sidlala bonke abalingiswa, sisho ngokuzwakalayo ngendlela ebesicabanga ngayo ngesikhathi kubhalwa. Bese kuthatha cishe usuku, amahora ambalwa ukuyixuba. Bese siyithumela kubakhiqizi bethu, futhi bayithumele kubalingisi nabasebenzi. 

Ngakho uma befuna, abalingisi bangayilalela, niyazi, izikhathi eziyikhulu ngaphambi kokuthi babonakale kusethi. Futhi sithole ukuthi leyo kuyindlela esebenza kahle kakhulu yokusebenzisa imigqa ye-punch, noma iluphi uhlobo. Angazi noma ubani owenza kanjalo. Futhi okuwukuphela kwesizathu esenza sikwazi ukukwenza ngale ndlela yingoba singabaqondisi ababi futhi lena ukuphela kwendlela esazi ngayo ukuletha umkhiqizo omuhle. Ngiqinisile. 

PJ McCabe: Kunzima uma uzimisele ngokuzama ukuthola umuntu ukuthi akubone ngaleso sikhathi. Awunaso isikhathi salokho. Wonke umuntu kufanele azi kusenesikhathi ukugeleza kwesigcawu kanye nephimbo, ngoba asinaso isikhathi sokukuchaza kusethiwe. Njengokuthi, “ake sikuzame ngezindlela ezihlukene eziyi-15 size sikuthole, size sithole ingqikithi yakho yomugqa”. 

UJim Cummings: Yebo, kuthatha i-fucking kuze kube phakade. Nginesiqiniseko sokuthi kuzwakala kumnandi kakhulu njengomdlali ukuthi kwenzeke lokho, ungakhetha ukuthatha ebengicabanga ukuthi kuzoba kuhle kulo mkhakha. Kuhle lokho, kodwa kuyinhlamba kubo bonke abanye abasebenzi, bathwele amagiya asindayo ezitebhisi zokuzazisa kwakho. Angazi. Ngicabanga ngempela, asilokothi sisebenze nabalingisi abazidlayo. Ngakho wonke umuntu uyayithola. Kufana nokuba nekhwaya, bese uba nalo muntu oyedwa ozidlayo njengokuthi “kahle, empeleni, ngifuna ukucula ngendlela yami. Ngifuna ukukhululeka ngomculo lapha." Futhi kufana nokuthi, cha!

UKelly McNeely: Kumakhredithi, ngibona nina bafana naninomxhumanisi wokusondelana, engicabanga ukuthi kuhle kakhulu. Ngiyazi ukuthi amafilimu amaningi netiyetha abandakanya abaxhumanisi bokusondelana, engicabanga ukuthi kubaluleke kakhulu. Ungakwazi yini ukukhuluma kancane ngaleyo nqubo kanye nokuthola umxhumanisi wokusondelana abathintekayo, kanye nesinqumo sokwenza lokho?

UJim Cummings: Besazi ukuthi sizoba nayo, ifilimu esondelene kakhulu. Ngoba ilolu hlobo lokuzijabulisa okuvusa inkanuko, futhi bekufanele kube nezigcawu zocansi phakathi kwamandla aguquguqukayo asethiwe lapho kufana khona, ngingumbhali, umqondisi, nomlingisi oholayo, kuhluke kakhulu ukucela kimi ukuthi “hlala phezu kwami. bhekana ngokulandelana njengehlaya, trust me, the punchline is gonna work” kunokuba kube yimina ngenza lokho komunye umlingisi. Ngokuyisisekelo kufana nalokhu, ubudlelwano bomqashi/nomsebenzi. Ngakho-ke, ngiqonde ukuthi, mina no-PJ sobabili singama-puritans, sasilwesaba kakhulu ucansi - okungenzeka ukuthi ungakusho kufilimu, kuyahlekisa kakhulu, zonke izigcawu zocansi ziyihlaya kufilimu - kodwa bekubaluleke kakhulu thina. Bekufanele sibe nomxhumanisi wokusondelana, ngoba kuyinto yokuphepha. Kufana nesigcawu se-Kung Fu, uma ungenayo i-choreographer yokulwa, othile uzokhishwa amazinyo. 

Futhi kwakuyisipiliyoni esihle. Ngikwazile ukuthembisa bobabili engikanye nabo kulezo zigcawu ukuthi akekho umuntu ozokwazi ukufinyelela ezithombeni, ngaphandle kwami, obekuwumhleli ngedwa. Ngakho-ke samisa ikhompuyutha ehlukile okwakuyikhompyutha yami, nganginephasiwedi yayo. Futhi bekukuma-hard drive ahlukene, futhi bekusesidlangalaleni, ngakho-ke akekho owayekwazi ukukubona, sasingenazo iziqaphi eziphumela ephasishi, lapho sasivame ukuba ne-focus puller, konke kwenziwa kule sethi evaliwe kakhulu. , kwathathwa omakhalekhukhwini, konke lokho. Ngakho kwakuphephe ngokuphelele. Futhi ngikwazile ukubathembisa futhi ngethula isithembiso kuzo zombili izihlabani sokuthi akekho oyobona le vidiyo ize ikhonjiswe kwifestiveli yamafilimu. Futhi ngenza. Futhi ngaba nozakwethu bobabili abaqhamuke ngemuva kwalokho bathi, lokho bekuphephe kakhulu engake ngakuzwa kusethi yefilimu, ngenza noma yisiphi isigcawu socansi nanoma yini efana naleyo. 

Ngempela, kuthathe isikhathi eside, kuthathe amahora amahlanu ukudubula amashothi amahlanu ebesiwadinga kulezo zigcawu, okuyisikhathi eside kunawo wonke esake saba nawo phakathi kokuthatha nje ukukumisa nokwenza isiqiniseko sokuthi izinto ziyasebenza. Kodwa umuzwa kamuva wokuthi abantu abakufilimu bazizwe benakekelwe futhi baziswa futhi basindiswa ubalulekile. Futhi angazi, bathi yiba yinguquko ofuna ukuyibona emhlabeni. Futhi ngicabanga ukuthi kubalulekile ukulungisa izinkinga esikhathini esidlule ngokwenza ngendlela efanele. Impendulo ende yombuzo omfushane.

PJ McCabe: Umbuzo obalulekile, nento ebalulekile okufanele ihlanganiswe. 

UKelly McNeely: Nakanjani. Kufana nje nokuba nomdidiyeli wokulwa. Imayelana nokwenza isiqiniseko sokuthi wonke umuntu olapho uzizwa ekhululekile futhi uzizwa ephephile futhi uzizwa enakekelwa, engicabanga ukuthi kubaluleke kakhulu.

UJim Cummings: Ngoba kuyaxaka njengesihogo!

PJ McCabe: Kusenza nathi sizizwe singcono, ungabona uma kukhona ongakhululekile, kwenza wonke umuntu angakhululeki. Kubi. Akumele ukwenze ngaleyo ndlela.

UJim Cummings: Sasithuthumela kakhulu, sasinovalo kakhulu kunanoma ubani! Noma yikuphi kunesigcawu lapho kufanele ngihlanganise ucansi no-Olivia [Grace Applegate], intombazane egunjini lehhotela, futhi siphezu kwedeski kuleli gumbi lehhotela, futhi kuzwakala njengesethi yocansi. Futhi ngingumqashi walaba bantu, futhi nginqunu ingxenye ngenza lesi sigcawu ukuze ngithole isithombe saleli hlaya. Futhi u-Annie Spong, umxhumanisi wokusondelana, uyaqhamuka futhi athi, ingabe ufuna uhlobo oluthile lokuvikela, ufuna ngibe nethawula lapha ukuze ngiqinisekise ukuthi awuvuki? Ngase ngikhumula imbokodo ngase ngithi, ayikho indlela engenzeka ukuthi ngingavuswa khona manje. Ake siqale ukugoqa. Futhi uyakhohlwa, kufana ne-kung fu, umuntu angalimala lapha kanye nengcindezi kuphela, into kuphela engangenza ngizizwe kahle, yilapho lokhu sekuphelile futhi sinevidiyo lapha. Sesingahamba singabe sisenza lokhu, uyazi?

UKelly McNeely: Umbuzo kinina nobabili, uke walingeka yini ukuze uzenze iphoyisa noma isikhulu somthetho?

UJim Cummings: [Ehleka] Hhayi-ke, kuphambene nomthetho, futhi uma kuyisikhulu sikahulumeni kuyicala lombuso. Umlingiswa wami ugcina ngokuphindaphinda kabili phansi.

PJ McCabe: Iphoyisa lalingasebenzi, ngakho kwadingeka liye ezingeni likahulumeni.

UJim Cummings: I-ejenti uBruce McAllister - igama elibi kunawo wonke. Cha, angizange, ngiyabonga mazulu. 

PJ McCabe: Akekho ongangikholwa. Angikakwazi ukungena kumamuvi akalwe we-R ngaphandle kokubonisa i-ID, ngakho-ke cha, ngeke kusebenze. 

UJim Cummings: Ajike abone lona. 

PJ McCabe: Angikwazanga ukungena ukuze ngibone ifilimu yami. Bafana, cha, cha, cha, hhayi ngawe ndodana, mhlawumbe uma usukhulile. Ngakho cha, cha, angikakakwenzi. Hhayi ngempumelelo, cha. 

UKelly McNeely: Ungaba yini iseluleko sakho kunoma ngubani ongase afune ukungena embonini yezokungcebeleka? Uma befuna ukungena kwezokuqondisa, uma befuna ukungena ekulingiseni, uma befuna ukungena kulo mkhakha?

UJim Cummings: Kunamaqembu amahle kakhulu e-Facebook. Njengokuthi, Ngidinga Umdidiyeli, Ngidinga Umhleli, Ngidinga Umsizi Wokukhiqiza. Futhi babhalise kahle. Futhi ungaqhubekela lapho futhi ujoyine iqembu, futhi asesidlangalaleni. Futhi banabantu abangaba ngu-50,000 kubo. Ngakho-ke uma ubheka ukuqala ukufunda, akunzima ukufana nokuthi, “Sawubona, ngise-Des Moines, noma e-Azerbaijan, futhi bengizibuza ukuthi ingabe ukhona yini umphakathi wamafilimu endaweni yangakithi”. Futhi ngithumele inqwaba yabenzi bamafilimu abasebasha lapho nge-Twitter, futhi kube usizo kakhulu. Saqala kanjalo sisaqala ukuthuthela LA, Facebook groups. 

Futhi-ke impendulo yami iwukuba njalo ukwenza amafilimu amafushane futhi ngingasebenzi kuma-screenplay afakiwe. Ngicabanga ukuthi wonke umuntu lapho eqala, ngangithi, "Kufanele ngenze isikrini esihle". Futhi uma nje ungagxila ekwenzeni okuthile okuyimizuzu eyishumi noma imizuzu emihlanu, lokho kulungile. Uzozongela imali eningi kanye nekhanda eliningi, uphupha emini ukuthi awukahle ngokwanele. 

PJ McCabe: Yebo. Futhi ungesabi ukuzama ezinye izinto. Ngisho ukuthi ngangingumlingisi ingxenye enkulu yempilo yami ngisakhula. Ngangikwenzile ukubhala, kodwa ngangesaba kwaze kwaba sekufeni ukuhlanganyela ngakho nanoma ubani. Kufana nokuthi, ungesabi ukwabelana ngezindaba zakho ezingavamile futhi uzame izinto ezintsha futhi ugqoke izigqoko ezahlukene. Ngoba, yebo, kuyasiza. Kuyasiza ngazo zonke ezinye izingxenye zokwenza ifilimu ukuzama ezinye izinto. Kuyasiza ekwenzeni kwakho. Ngakho yenza konke, zama ukwenza konke. Ungesabi. Futhi ungesabi ukwenza izinto ezixakile lapho uthumela izindaba zakho. Kulungile. Abantu bafuna lokho, ngiyacabanga

UKelly McNeely: Kuyindlela engcono kakhulu yokufunda futhi, ukuhileleka ngayo yonke indlela, ukuma kanye nokwenza ongakwenza.

PJ McCabe: Yenza noma yini ongayenza. 

UJim Cummings: Yebo, kufanele ufunde konke. Ngicabanga ukuthi lelo uhlobo lwekusasa. Ngicabanga ukuthi wonke umuntu kuzofanele afane kakhulu nabasebenzisi be-YouTube, lapho kufanele bafunde yonke into futhi bazenzele esabo isitudiyo nesiteshi. Ngibona iHollywood ihamba ngendlela efanayo. Ngakho-ke kuzofanele ukufunde noma kunjalo. Kungcono uqale manje. 

UKelly McNeely: Iseluleko esifanele. Manje, lona umbuzo ongasho lutho, kodwa yilowo engithanda ukuwubuza njalo nje. Iyiphi imuvi yakho esabekayo eyintandokazi? Noma kwabathathu abaphezulu, ngoba ngiyaqonda ukuthi ukuzama ukukhetha eyodwa kufana nokuzama ukukhetha ingane oyikhonzile.

UJim Cummings: Ngibuka nje Ingane kaRosemary iphosta laphaya, elihle ngempela. Kunjalo Incwadi kaJonathan Burton. Yinhle impela uma ungakayiboni ifana nobuciko babalandeli bayo futhi yinhle impela. Noma kunjalo inhle impela leyo, ngoba iyakuyenga futhi ikwenza uzizwe sengathi uzohlanya naye. Futhi yinhle. 

Kodwa imuvi esabekayo, imuvi yami eyintandokazi eyesabekayo, kukhona imuvi ebizwa Iseshini 9 lokho kuwushizi. Kodwa kunemizuzu engama-45 kuleyo filimu engicabanga ukuthi ifilimu ethusayo kakhulu eyake yenziwa. Futhi kulapho okuqoshiwe kuphuma khona, bese-ke amandla eqala ukuphuma, nalolo hlobo lwezinto. Kuyathusa ngempela. Bese I-Conjuring 2, ifilimu kaJames Wan eyenzeka eNgilandi, ngicabanga ukuthi mhlawumbe enye yefilimu ethusayo engake ngayibona. Futhi iphetha kahle kakhulu, lapho okungo-Ed no-Lorraine Warren, no-Elvis edlala irekhodi emsakazweni futhi badansa nge-slow motion futhi umzuzu omuhle, futhi usathuswa ukuthi kukhona okuzophuma ngaphandle, futhi akukho lutho. , futhi kuyinhlanganisela eyinkimbinkimbi kakhulu yothando nokuthusayo engivele ngiyithanda kakhulu. 

PJ McCabe: Yebo, ngizovele ngihambe neyodwa yezinto eziyisisekelo. Ngihlala ngihamba naye I-Exorcist, ngenxa nje yendlela eyakha ngayo. Ifilimu ekholakala kunawo wonke engake ngawabona mayelana nokubanjwa kwamademoni ahlekisayo. Indlela abadlula ngayo ngokwengqondo kukho konke lokhu, benza zonke izinyathelo obungazithatha. Njengokuya esibhedlela, ungenza konke lokho. Wonke umuntu ukholelwa kakhulu. Ngisho nodokotela nososayensi asebenza nabo bafana nokuthi “yebo, kuyasangana lokhu. Uke wakucabanga ukuya kumfundisi? Ngiyakuzonda ukusho lokhu. Angazi ngenzenjani”. Kudabukisa kakhulu futhi kuyethusa ngalendlela, esikhundleni sokuthi kungene insizwa eyisixhwanguxhwangu njengokuthi, “Ngilapha ukuzokhipha amademoni”, lapho kuvele kuphume ubala. 

UJim Cummings: Yilokho esikubona kuwo wonke ama-movie kusukela ngaleso sikhathi. Okuyinqaba kakhulu, ngoba leyo filimu yaphuma ngawo-1970.

PJ McCabe: Kwamisa izwi, futhi akekho okwazile ukusondela. Futhi nje... leyo filimu ngokwemibandela yokwakhiwa? Imuvi eyesabekayo imayelana nokwakha, ukwakha izigxobo ziphakeme ngokwanele futhi kukholakala ngokwanele, bese ziyazephula ekugcineni. Futhi lokho kunzima ukukwenza. Futhi I-Exorcist wenza lokho ekupheleleni.

UJim Cummings: Imizuzu eyishumi yokuqala yenzeka e-Iraq, futhi ayihlangene nendaba, kodwa ihlangene nendaba, lapho kufana nabapristi abadala ngokumelene nodeveli. Futhi uma ibuya imizuzu engu-60 ku-movie futhi uyabuya, ufana, o, yingakho siqale konke lokho. 

PJ McCabe: Lokho ukubhala okuhle kakhulu, ukusethwa, nenzuzo. Leyo yifilimu enhle ehlelekile. Yebo, lokho kungcono kakhulu. 

UKelly McNeely: Ingabe unabanye ababili, noma unamathela koyedwa?

UJim Cummings: Zodiac.

PJ McCabe: isikejana inflatable, impela, maningi amahle... 

UJim Cummings: Ubuwazi ukuthi ku isikejana inflatable, nguDavid Fincher, babengenalo igazi lomgunyathi kusethi. Konke kuyigazi le-CG. Ngoba uDavid wayengafuni ukuzihlupha ngokushintsha imvunulo. “Kuzothatha isikhathi eside kakhulu, kuzoba nesiphithiphithi kakhulu. Asenzi izinguquko zezimonyo nezemvunulo. Sizokwenza konke nge-CG.” Kuyamangalisa. Ubungeke wazi. 

PJ McCabe: Ingabe Se7en bala? 

UJim Cummings: Se7en ibala, ngokuqinisekile. 

PJ McCabe: Ngakho-ke lezo zingabajabulisa abaningi, amathrillers, kodwa ziyethusa. Sonke simayelana nabaseshi. 

UJim Cummings: Yebo, noma yini uDavide. 

UKelly McNeely: Kunesigcawu ngaphakathi The Wolf of Snow Hollow lokho kungikhumbuza kakhulu isigameko esingaphansi isikejana inflatable. Lapho kukhona lokho kuqaphela kancane. 

UJim Cummings: Ekhishini? Leso yisimo esihle kakhulu sefilimu. Ngisho ukuthi yingakho senze imuvi. Ukuze ukwazi ukwenza Mindhunter isitayela sokubuza, phezu kwetafula izingxoxo nombulali kuyinto nje engiyithandayo emhlabeni. Futhi-ke ukukwenza njengomdlalo wamahlaya futhi. Bekumnandi kakhulu. Kwakunelisa kakhulu. UWill Madden, umlingisi odlala impisi kuleyo filimu, ungomunye wabalingisi abahamba phambili engibaziyo. Futhi mina naye sasisondelene kakhulu ngenkathi senza leyo filimu, ngoba kwakunguye yedwa omunye umuntu owayefunde zonke izincwadi zikaJohn Douglas zokucwaninga izinto ezibulala abantu abaningi. Ngakho-ke mina naye sakhuluma isifinyezo sokufana, bonke laba babulali abahlukene nokuthi bacabanga kanjani nokuthi basebenza kanjani. Futhi ngakho-ke sasihlala sikhuluma ngesethi ngaleyo nto. Futhi kwaba ubudlelwano obukhulu.

UKelly McNeely: Ngiyakuthanda lokho, nge Mindhunter, bakhipha amacala ngokuqondile encwadini yakhe. Kunezimo eziningi nezingxoxo ezidonswe ngokwezwi nezwi.

UJim Cummings: Ngicabanga Isizini 2 ye Mindhunter mhlawumbe isiqephu semidiya esihle kunazo zonke ezake zenziwa. Icala likaWayne Williams, kanye neqiniso lokuthi isizini iqala futhi imayelana namanye amacala kanye noManson kanye nalo lonke uhlobo lwezinto ezithakazelisayo, kanye neNdodana kaSam, kodwa-ke kuba mayelana ne-Atlanta Child Murders futhi inesiphetho esigcwalisekayo. Bese kuba nesiphetho esingagcwaliseki kwezombusazwe. Kuyamangaza ngempela. Futhi yebo, ngicabanga ukuthi ngiyibuke cishe izikhathi ezinhlanu. Lapho iqala ukuphuma. Kuhle kakhulu. 

UKelly McNeely: Isiphi isifundo esihle kakhulu osifundile ngesikhathi usebenza kufilimu? 

UJim Cummings: Ngingathi, hlala usebenza nabangane bakho, leyo yinto ebaluleke kakhulu. Empeleni bekufanele ngikufunde lokho kusenesikhathi. Kodwa kunendaba kaDavid Fincher lapho athi ubonakale esehlelwe I-Alien 3. Futhi wathi, “Ngifunde emahoreni ambalwa ukuthi inyunyana yokubamba unodoli ayifuni ukuphusha unodoli oneminyaka engama-29. Ngokushesha nje lapho ngiqeda leyo filimu, ngabona ukuthi ngangizokwenza amafilimu nabangane bami kuphela”. Futhi kusukela lapho, futhi lokho kuyinto ebaluleke kakhulu kithi. Uma ungenza amafilimu nabantu abakukhathalelayo ngempela, imuvi izoba ngcono kakhulu kunanoma iyiphi enye indlela yokwenza imuvi. 

PJ McCabe: Ngizokwenanela lokho. Ngisho, ngoba umzamo wokubambisana onjalo. Ngisho, ngoba Ukuhlolwa kwe-Beta, ngokusobala, bekunguJim kanye nami, kodwa u-DP wethu u-Ken [Wales], ngisho ukuthi, imuvi yayingeke ibe lutho eduze nalokho eyayiyikho ngaphandle kombono wakhe, futhi wengeza kakhulu ngobuciko. U-Charlie [Textor], umklami wethu wokukhiqiza, abakhiqizi bethu – sonke esingabangane nabo, njengoba kwasho uJim – nabantu obathembayo, ngoba ungathatha izinyathelo ezinqala zokudala futhi ungazinaki ngokubuza, ucabangani? ngalokhu? Futhi ngicabanga ukuthi yinto enkulu leyo. Futhi ngicabanga ukuthi ezikhathini eziningi usebenza nabantu futhi uzizwa uyinqaba ngokuzama ukugxuma ubuze umbono wabo. Ngakho-ke ukusebenza nabangani bakho, nabantu obathembayo, kuyasiza ngobuchule, futhi kuvele kukwenze.

UKelly McNeely: Futhi yini elandelayo kini bafana? 

UJim Cummings: Si… yini elandelayo kithi? Kuya ngokuthi usibuza ngaluphi usuku. Sibhala izinto ezihlekisa kakhulu, futhi ezithinta inhliziyo ngezindlela zazo ezincane. Sibhala imuvi ye-Victorian horror njengoba sikhuluma, namuhla. Kodwa sesiyithuthukise cishe iminyaka emibili, futhi ngesonto eledlule siqale ukuyibeka ngefomethi ye-screenplay. Kuhle kakhulu, futhi siyabathanda bonke abalingisi, futhi sizozama ukwenza lokho kuze kuphele unyaka. Futhi-ke angazi ukuthi yini elandelayo. Kuya ngesimo. Njengoba sinayo yonke le mibono, bese kuthatha umuntu othi, yebo, sizokukhokhela lokho, bese kuba yilokho esikwenzayo ngokulandelayo. Ngakho yebo. 

PJ MaCabe: Sizobona. Bonke ngesikhathi esithile. Asazi ukuthi yiliphi i-oda okwamanje. Ngakho sizobona.

 

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