Umqondisi uKurtis David Harder Okokukhipha yifilimu elithusayo elingokwengqondo elikhuluma ngabashadikazi bobulili obufanayo abasuka edolobheni elikhulu baye edolobheni elincane nendodakazi yabo esakhulayo efutheka. Ngenkathi yonke into ibonakala inobungani futhi iyiphupho, kunokuthile okunomthunzi ngaphansi kobuso. Akufanele kudidaniswe Spiral: Okuvela Encwadini Saw, Okokukhipha kulungiswa izingqikithi ezisindayo, ezibhekisa ukucwaswa kwabantu abathandana nobulili obufanayo nobandlululo, ubuhlanga, nempilo yengqondo.

Noma iqondiswa nguHarder, Okokukhipha yabhalwa ngu UColin Minihan (Ukuhlangana Nethuna, Yini Okugcina UphilanoJohn Poliquin (Ukuhlangana Kwethuna 2). Muva nje ngithole ithuba lokuhlala phansi noMinihan noPoliquin ukuze sixoxe Okokukhipha, amasiko, ukwesaba okukhulu, impilo kuma-90s, nokuphela okulimazayo.

Ungafunda Ukubuyekezwa okugcwele kukaWaylon Okokukhipha, esakazwa manje kuShudder.

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UKelly McNeely: Uvelaphi lo mbhalo noma lo mbono?

UJohn Poliquin: Ngakho-ke bekungukuphendula okhethweni lwango-2016 kanye nenkulumo ehlukanisayo ebisetshenziswa nguTrump, futhi ngendlela nje ebicace ngayo ukuthi abantu babekwa kanjani, ekugcineni, ukuvusa isisekelo. Futhi kwakwesabeka, futhi kusobala ukuthi akuyona into engakaze yenzeke kuwo wonke umlando, uyazi, siyazi, kepha njengoba nje yayikhona, asikwazanga ukukuziba.

Sasisebenza ngenqwaba yemibono, futhi sifana, bambelela, ake size nomqondo othatha lezi zingqikithi, obeka i-lens eyethusayo kuwo, wenza ifilimu yokuzijabulisa, kepha futhi, inokuthile yisho. Futhi yilapho yavela khona, empeleni. Futhi, ngiyaqina, futhi mina noColin besikhuluma ngokwenza ifilimu eyethusayo eyakhiwe ngokunamandla encike kokungaphezu kwemvelo. Ngakho-ke besifuna ukuthola okuthile, futhi ngicabanga nje leyo mibono emibili eshade ngendlela ethakazelisa ngempela. Futhi ngakho-ke nakanjani impilo yomqondo.

UKelly McNeely: UColin, one Yini Egcina Uphila futhi Okokukhipha, le ifilimu yesibili eyethusayo oyenzile, engicabanga ukuthi iyinhle, kubaluleke kakhulu ukuthola lezo zindaba laphaya. Bengifuna ukumba esinqumweni sakho sokuhlola lezo zindaba.

UColin Minihan: Angazi noma ngingaqhamuka noluphi udaba lwale filimu nini Yini Egcina Uphila bekune-premiere yayo yokuqala, kepha enye yezinto engizisuse ngempela kokuhlangenwe nakho kwe- Yini Egcina Uphila wayebona ukuthi umphakathi we-queer wamukela kanjani ngempela futhi wajabula ukubona ukumelwa esikrinini esasizizwa siyiqiniso ngempela futhi singaxhaphazi nganoma iyiphi indlela. Uyazi, bezingasetshenziselwa ukuhlekwa noma yini. Futhi ngangihlala ngizibuza njalo, lapho isihogo siyisitudiyo esizokwenza ifilimu eyethusayo ejwayelekile eyenza izinkanyezi amadoda amabili angama-gay ebuhlotsheni ukuze siqale ukujwayela ukubona nje ukuthi amadoda ayathandana futhi ayathandana. 

Ngicabanga ukuthi abantu abaningi - ikakhulukazi lokho i-JP ebikhuluma ngakho - abantu abavutha amalangabi "ngabanye". Ngicabanga ukuthi isizathu esikhulu sokuthi kungani bevutha amalangabi, nokuthi kungani beshesha ukukhomba, kungenxa yokuthi abazi, futhi abakubonanga ngokwanele. Futhi-ke, uma singakha izinhlamvu ezizwelayo eziphathwa njenganoma iyiphi eminye imibhangqwana, kusobala ukuthi kuzoOkokukhipha], ziphathwa ngendlela ehluke kakhulu. Kepha uma singabakhombisa ngaleyo ndlela, ngicabanga ukuthi siyaphumelela, ngoba sijwayela okuthile okufanele ngabe sekuyinto evamile manje. Ngicabanga ukuthi lokho kwaba umfutho wangempela wokufuna ukwenza Okokukhipha. Ngoba aziziningi - ngicabanga ukuthi kuningi okuqala ukuba nohlobo lokuthi kungenzeka kuvele, usakubona kancane - ama-movie alandela lolo hlobo lobudlelwano enkabeni, hhayi njengesiqeshana.

UKelly McNeely: Ngabe ungakhuluma kancane ngokusetha Okokukhipha ngeminyaka yama-90s futhi yini ekwenze wanquma ukukwenza lokho, futhi, ukuba kube yindlela yokusabela okhethweni lwango-2016?

UJohn Poliquin: Ngisho, kunengqondo ukusetha kuma-90s. Uyazi, bekuyisikhathi esiluhlaza impela somphakathi we-LGBT. Ubhadane lwengculaza lwalusanda kucekela phansi amadolobha, futhi kwakukhona ukuhlukumezeka okukhulu nxazonke, futhi lokho kwakusetshenziswa noma kuhlonyiswa ngabaningi abalondolozayo njengesizathu sokwesaba abantu abayizitabane futhi, uyazi, ukuthi babafanele. Futhi kwakukhona izimo zengqondo eziningi ezesabekayo futhi cishe lokhu, njengalokho, isizathu sokubaphatha njengezilo, abantu abathandekayo, ikakhulukazi emiphakathini emincane. Futhi-ke kwakuyisikhathi esingaphephile ngempela ukuba sendaweni yasemakhaya, njengomuntu oyisitabane kuma-90s.

Uyazi, kwakukhona ukubulawa kukaBrandon Teena okwenziwa ifilimu, Abafana Abakhali, futhi-ke uyazi, Matthew Shepard, ngakho-ke kwakukhona bonke laba badlali ababukhali, ababesabekayo ababesenzeka, futhi empeleni babengakutholi ukukhala komphakathi okujwayelekile ngaleso sikhathi. Manje sebephenduke le nto enkulu, kepha ngeminyaka yama-90s, bekushayelwe kakhulu ngaphansi kombhoxo njengokuthi, "kuhle, bekufanele" bekuyisimo sengqondo esiningi.

Ngakho-ke ngicabanga nje ukuthi zonke lezo zinto zisemqondweni, bekuyisikhathi esinjalo nje futhi kunengqondo ngathi ukuthi sisethe ifilimu lapho. Futhi, ngicabanga, ukuhlukaniswa, ngicabanga ukuthi kukhona okuthile ngemithombo yezindaba yangaphambi kwezenhlalo yama-90 eyadala lesi simo esikude ngokuphelele ukuba uMalik abe kuso. Akagcini nje ngokuhlukaniswa nomphakathi, kepha uyehlukaniswa ngumndeni wakhe, futhi akanakho ukuxhumana kwangempela ngaphandle kwedolobha. Ngakho-ke ngicabanga zonke lezo zinto.

UKelly McNeely: Ngicabanga ukuthi ubuchwepheshe budlala ngempela kukho ngendlela enkulu. Ngoba ujwayele ukubona ubuchwepheshe kumabhayisikobho anamuhla asabisayo, ubuchwepheshe obusetshenziselwa ukuhlanganisa abantu. Kepha ngicabanga ukuthi lowo mbono, futhi, wokwenza kube nzima kakhulu ukuxhumana nabanye ukuthola ukuthi kwenzekani, ungahlunga ukudlala kulokho okuncane.

UJohn Poliquin: Yebo, ngisho, uColin nami singabantwana bama-90s. Ngakho-ke futhi - ngendlela exakile - incwadi yothando eya kuleyo nkathi uma kuziwa ekwakhiweni.

UKelly McNeely: Nemfashini.

UColin Minihan: Ngangikuthanda ukuba sendlini kusethiwe, ngoba ngangikhahlela emuva, futhi ngangithi, ooh, ithubhu ye-TV, isidlali seVHS, lokhu kufana nokudla okuphekiwe okufudumele njengamanje, bekumnandi. 

UJohn Poliquin: Yebo, lokho bekufana nendawo yethu yokuya lapho bebadubula kwezinye izindawo, besimane sihlale phansi egumbini lokuphumula, njengokuthi, [okuqukethwe kububula], ngizizwa ngikhululekile lapha [ehleka].

UKelly McNeely: Manje, kunemigqa eqinile impela yenkhulumomphendvulwano, enezindikimba zokungalingani kanye ne-paranoia kanye nokuboniswa kwezimo zengqondo ngaleso sikhathi, okubuye kubonakale ngokusobala manje. Eminyakeni engamashumi amathathu kamuva, ukwesaba kusabambe ngendlela enkulu impela. Manje ukuhlole kanjani lokho wakuletha phambili? Futhi bekubaluleke ngempela kuwe engxoxweni ukuthi ucace ngangokunokwenzeka? Ukusho kanjena, yilokhu esixoxa ngakho, udinga ukwazi lokhu.

UColin Minihan: Ngizizwa sengathi kubalulekile. Kunengcaphuno kaBret Easton Ellis engiyifundile, lapho enza khona ukuthanda izindaba ezithinta umyalezo. Futhi angicabangi ukuthi ifilimu yethu iyashumayela impela, kepha ngicabanga ukuthi noma ngubani oyibukelayo uzothatha ukuthi lowo mlayezo uyini. Futhi, kimi, ngingathanda kakhulu ukuthi izethameli zisuse okuthile uma kuqhathaniswa nokuthi bekulahlekile, ngoba kungcwatshwe kakhulu kumbhalo wendaba. Ngakho-ke besifuna ngempela ukufaka uphawu lwengqikithi endikimbeni.

Futhi i-kernel enkulu yokuthi lokhu kuvelaphi - nokuthi kungani sikwazi ukuyibeka kuma-90s - kungenxa yokuthi kubonakala sengathi njalo eminyakeni eyishumi noma ngaphezulu, kunomuntu omusha ongamesaba. IMelika inale ndlela enhle, ebaliwe yokwenza ingxenye enkulu yabantu besabe lokho okunye. Futhi uyayibona njengamanje. Uyibonile eminyakeni yama-90. Futhi uzoyibona ngokuzayo, ngeshwa. Futhi ngicabanga ukuthi icishe iqale ukuzwa sengathi iyindlela yokuqhubeka nendlela yabo yokuphila. Ngakho-ke saqala ukucabanga ukuthi lolo hlobo lwenkolo olunjani, futhi kulapho-ke lapho indaba yaqala ukwakheka ngendlela eyenzeka ngayo.

UJohn Poliquin: Ngokusho kukaColin, besifuna ukuncika kuyo. Futhi ngicabanga ukuthi bekuyibhalansi, kepha noma ngabe uMalik uthi ku-Aaron, uyazi, yiliphi igama lesitabane lika-Uncle Tom. Lokho ngempela kufingqa ubuhlobo. Ngiqonde ukuthi, kunezinto eziningi ezahlukahlukene ezenzekayo kulo mbhalo, kepha lokho kungamandla abo ukuthi u-Aaron uyakwazi ukudlula, noma ukujoyina isiko elenziwa kakhulu, kanti uMalik akanalo lelo thuba, futhi u-Aaron uhlala emkhanyisela , futhi kufana, awu, usohlangothini lukabani, Aaron? Futhi akakwazi ukubona ingozi ezungezile.

UColin Minihan: Ngoba waphila njengomuntu oqondile isikhathi eside. Futhi akacabangeli, futhi kulula ukwamukela, futhi ngicabanga ukuthi bekuyinto ethokozisayo kubalingiswa.

UJohn Poliquin: Yebo. Kepha ngicabanga ukuthi ngenkulumo-mpikiswano, besifuna nakanjani ukungena ngaphakathi. Ngicabanga ukuthi isazobonakala isisekelo sethoni nokuthi bakhuluma kanjani omunye nomunye. Kepha besifuna ukuqinisekisa ukuthi akekho umuntu ozophuthelwa izingqikithi nokuthi zizobekwa ngokusobala.

UKelly McNeely: Futhi ngicabanga ukuthi [ngefilimu yaseCanada] ukuyibeka eMelika kuyisinqumo esihlakaniphe kakhulu, ngoba kukhona into enkulu kabi njengokwesaba enye. “Kuhlala kukhona omunye umuntu omesabayo. Kukhona njalo. Futhi kuyohlale kukhona ”kungenye yemigqa evela kwifilimu…

UJohn Poliquin: Yebo, ukucabanga kweqembu, kuyindlela esigcina ngayo isimo esikhona. 

UColin Minihan: Imidiya yabo idlala kulokho ngokungafani nezinye.

UJohn Poloquin: Okunye futhi engicabanga ukuthi kwakubalulekile kithina, futhi, kwakuwukuvezwa [komakhelwane], ikakhulukazi uMarshall noTiffany, bengabi nobungqingili obungqingili noma ukucwasa ngokweqile. Okunye ukuthi bazibophezele ngendlela abazuza ngayo kulolu hlelo olwenzelwe ukudicilela phansi okunye okuhlosiwe kule minyaka eyishumi. Futhi ngicabanga ukuthi abantu abaningi banecala lalokhu, lapho kufana nokuthi, yebo, mhlawumbe awunalo ubandlululo, noma usho izinto zobandlululo, noma awuzwa sengathi unale nzondo, kepha uma ungazihlukanisi noma uzifundise ukuze uqonde ukuthi lolu hlobo lokuphakama kwabamhlophe luqhuba kanjani umphakathi wethu nokuthi siyalusebenzisa, khona-ke uyinxenye yenkinga.

UKelly McNeely: Manje ulakha kanjani ihlelo lakho? Yini inqubo yokunquma ukuthi le nkolo izoba yini? Ngoba lokho kubonakala sengathi leyo kungaba yingxenye ethokozisayo yenqubo.

UColin Minihan: Ngicabanga ukuthi ufuna ukushiya imibuzo eminingi ingaphenduliwe. Ngoba lapho nje uqala ukubhala izinhloso zenkolo, izinto zingaqala ukuzizwa zingasekelwa phansi ngokushesha okukhulu. Futhi uma i-movie ingazizwa isisekelo, iqiniso layo liba ncane futhi kube lula ukuba kulolo hambo. Okungenani kimi. Ngihlala ngithanda umhlaba wangempela, isikhathi sangempela ngizwa injabulo, lawo amafilimu engikhulele kuwo. Ngakho-ke sizama ukukunikeza ngokwanele mayelana nehlelo, nokuthi yiziphi izinhloso zabo nokuthi basebenzisa kanjani. Konke okuku-movie kuluhlobo lwesitshalo ngempela, ukuze uMalik angene ogibeni lwabo. 

UJohn Poliquin: Yonke into ayibonayo, bafuna ukuthi ayibone, bahlangana.

UColin Minihan: Ngikhumbula okusalungiswa kwasekuqaleni lapho ayengathola khona imibhalo yezingxoxo zakhe ayenazo nezinto ezinjalo. Futhi bekukhona sonke lesi sikhathi, kepha besifuna agcinwe kancane ebumnyameni, ekugcineni. Ngicabanga ukuthi lo mbhalo kwakuyifilimu eyinselele ukubhala. Ngicabanga ukuthi kuthathe isikhathi eside kunama-screenplays amaningi engijwayele ukuwathanda, ngazi ukuthi akhona zisuka kanjani, futhi lokhu nakanjani kube nokuziphendukela kwemvelo okuhamba kancane.

UKelly McNeely: Yini eningenise nobabili? Uqale kanjani ukuba nentshisekelo yokwesaba?

UColin Minihan: Ngicabanga ukuthi ukwethuka kungumphakathi wabangaphandle, futhi ngakhula ngihlala ngizizwa nginjengomunye umuntu edolobheni lama-2500, abantu bebengazizwa nje ukuthi ngingena lapho eminyakeni ethile. Futhi ngihlale ngine-streak ehlubukayo, futhi ukwethuka kunegunya elihlubukayo, eliphikisayo, umugqa ozimele kulo. Kuyathokozisa lokho njengomculi. Futhi awuxhomekile - ikakhulukazi lapho uqala - awuxhomekile kubalingisi abaligama elikhulu lokuhlanganisa ndawonye izinsiza zokwenza i-movie ezethusayo ezimele. Nginoposta webhayisikobho yami yokuqala ethusayo - Ukuhlangana Nethuna - odongeni. Futhi lowo ngumoya weqiniso ozimele wokuba neqembu elincane kakhulu labangane uhlangane nama- $ 100,000 futhi wenze okuthile okuthatha impilo yaso konke. 

Futhi ukwethuka kukhulu futhi, ngoba, uyazi, Okokukhipha ngumdlalo, Okokukhipha kuyamangaza, Okokukhipha futhi kuyibhayisikobho ethusayo. Kepha ingxoxo eningi enayo edlula lokho kumane nje, yibhayisikobho ekhuluma ngehlelo. Kungaphezulu kakhulu, futhi yilokho okuhle mayelana nokwethusa ukuthi ungabheka izinto eziningi ezahlukahlukene nezinhlobo ezahlukahlukene zezinhlamvu ngaphakathi kwakho. Kepha namanje yiba nendaba yendabuko.

UJohn Poliquin: Yebo, ngingasho ukuthi ukwethuka kunabalandeli abahamba phambili. Kungabantu abaningi bangaphandle, abantu abaningi abazizwa behlukile, futhi babona izingqikithi ezihlobene nabo - noma izinhlamvu ezihlobene nabo - ngokwesabekayo okungenzeka kungaboniswa ngokujwayelekile noma, uyazi, izinhlobo ezihlonishwayo. Kepha ngicabanga nokuthi luhlobo lwe-visceral ngempela, futhi luvumela izethameli ukuthi zizwe imizwa eluhlaza ngempela kaningi, futhi ingaphakamisa isibuko futhi ivuse zonke izinhlobo zokuqonda nokuphendula okuthakazelisayo. Kepha futhi kumnandi kakhulu! Ngingene ekubukeleni ukwethuka namaqembu wabangane ngisemncane, lokho kwaba ukwethulwa kwami ​​kuma-movie asabisayo. Futhi uhlobo olujabulisayo ukubuka nabantu futhi nixoxe ngemuva futhi nizwe okuthile.

UKelly McNeely: Ngicabanga ukuthi yisango elihle ngaleyo ndlela, ngoba ungena kulo usemncane, ubuka nje izinto ezimnandi. Futhi-ke uthola ngoba umdala, ungabuka izinto eziyinselelo enkulu futhi ezifiphele kancane ngezikhathi ezithile. 

UKelly McNeely: UColin, phakathi kwamafilimu afana Ukuhlangana Nethuna, Yini Egcina Uphila futhi Ngaphandle, kubonakala sengathi uthanda uthando ukuphela okungenasisekelo, okuhle. Ngabe uyakucabanga ukuphela kwe Okokukhipha ukuba nesiphetho esibi noma isiphetho esinethemba?

UColin Minihan: Well, it was much bleaker [ehleka].

UJohn Poliquin: Ngibhale isiphetho esijabulisayo futhi savalwa [ehleka].

UColin Minihan: Wenzile, empeleni wakubeka ekhasini phezulu saze sashutha. Kwakudingeka ngiyinqume ngoba yayinkulu kakhulu, futhi ngangifana nokuthi, ayikho indlela esizokudubula ngayo lokhu ezinsukwini ezingama-23, Ngiyaxolisa JP kodwa sihamba nesiphetho esibuhlungu [ehleka].

Ngicabanga ukuthi ukuphela okungekuhle kungahle kuthikameze izethameli, futhi ungehlise isikolo sakho Sotamatisi Abolile. Kepha ngicabanga ukuthi imvamisa, kukushiya ukhumbula i-movie uma uqhathaniswa nokuba nje, oh, konke kuhamba kahle kulo mhlaba. Ngicabanga ukuthi ingavusa ingxoxo egqinsiwe kakhulu uma ivela endaweni eyiqiniso. Kepha lokho kusho, ngicabanga ukuthi uma usesikhungweni se-movie, ungaqala iskripthi futhi ufane, kuzoba isiphetho esijabulisayo. Kepha lapho iskripthi sizokwembula lokho empeleni, asifuni ukuba yilokho. Futhi-ke ngizwe sengathi, ndoda, le movie ayenzi. Akukona ukuphela kwale ndaba, uyazi, ngakho-ke ngokwemvelo, njengoba ngishilo, eminyakeni eyi-10 kusuka manje kuzoba nomunye umuntu esingamazi nokuthi, “lowo muntu mubi, futhi bayisizathu sokuthi kungani isigaba esiphakathi asisekho, yibo abangenile bathatha imisebenzi yethu! ”. Futhi-ke indaba ayikapheli. 

Ngakho-ke le movie ivele yazibophezela ekufuneni ukuqhubeka nokuvunguza, yingakho i-movie ibizwa ngalokho eliyikho. Ngeshwa amanye ama-movie nawo abizwa ngale ndlela manje, kodwa futhi saqhamuka nendlela yokwakha ithemba elincane, ngicabanga ukuthi, obekubalulekile. Futhi ngicabanga ukuthi uKurtis [David Harder, umqondisi] wayenjalo, lesi yisiphetho esibuhlungu, ndoda. Futhi uJohn, kusobala, uke wazama ukubhala uhlobo lwayo olwalujabulile, kepha sathola uhlobo lwendawo emaphakathi lapho, uyazi, uMalik uzosebenzisa imvuthuluka yesinkwa esizukulwaneni esilandelayo esibadubula. Futhi ngicabanga ukuthi lowo umlayezo opholile futhi, ngoba yilokho esikwenzayo manje okungenzeka ukuthi akusithinti thina, kepha kuzothinta iqembu elilandelayo labantu.